fox two Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Anyone else aware of the pass rate of check rides in T-1 phase 3 UPT right now at certain units? Edited August 25, 2012 by fox two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepGuyC17 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Student? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 UAV is waiting for you ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 So, b/c of money and time we should pass everybody? That sounds like a great idea! Hell, why even have Phase 3? UPT should be shortened to 6 months and everybody should get their wings after T-6's. Imagine how much money and time will be saved with that concept! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcola Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 We are waiting for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 If you're an IP, you should bring that up to your flight commander and run it up to have check section get their heads out of their collective asses. If you're a flight commander, have some balls. If you're a student, suck it up and drive on. Don't give those check sections fags anything to hook you on. Not a damn thing you can do about it. If there's really over a 50% hook rate, that's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Maybe over 50% of the students suck. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAMInated Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Yeah, they did get T-1s after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 But seriously though, it sounds like they're just preparing these dudes for the inevitable Q-3 from the boom operator when their Ipad isn't fully charged. Gotta toughen'em up before they get out there in the real world and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcola Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Yeah, they did get T-1s after all. Ouch. Didn't mean to offend with the UAV crack. But seriously though, it sounds like they're just preparing these dudes for the inevitable Q-3 from the boom operator when their Ipad isn't fully charged. Gotta toughen'em up before they get out there in the real world and all that. This, unfortunately, is the sad state of affairs that is AMC. I sense Q-3s for all. Hey, on the bright side, if you get assigned punishment such as briefing the squadron on how to properly ensure having a fully charged IPad at show time, at least you can swing a sweet OPR bullet out of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Good thing the lav on the jet has a 110 outlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 So you're saying it doesn't seem to be a problem with the IPs or the studs, studs are hooking for "minute" and "absurd" things, and the evaluators can't figure out what the problem is. How long has the trend been happening? Were there any big changes in check section or leadership that can be correlated to the timing of this trend? My bet is the problem is with both the instructors and the students. If it's "minute" and "absurd" but it's something someone can hook for, then it's probably not minute or absurd (in the context of AETC). Minute and absurd can describe at least 1/3 of what's considered important in UPT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 So you're saying it doesn't seem to be a problem with the IPs or the studs, studs are hooking for "minute" and "absurd" things, and the evaluators can't figure out what the problem is. How long has the trend been happening? Were there any big changes in check section or leadership that can be correlated to the timing of this trend? My bet is the problem is with both the instructors and the students. If it's "minute" and "absurd" but it's something someone can hook for, then it's probably not minute or absurd (in the context of AETC). Minute and absurd can describe at least 1/3 of what's considered important in UPT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Good thing the lav on the jet has a 110 outlet. Or from someone bringing a pigtail with a power strip attached to it. That never happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox two Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) If it's "minute" and "absurd" but it's something someone can hook for, then it's probably not minute or absurd (in the context of AETC). Best reason for a hook I've heard about this year was for a stud not writing his name correctly in his dash 1. Bam, 88 ride, $1600 of gas, and another jet/ip taken (and 88 pilots are flt/cc or higher). Edited August 25, 2012 by fox two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 What Danger said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzl337 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 an 88 for pubs? Thats a ground eval 88 if anything. Check flight doesn't build the schedule so it sounds like upper leadership feels they have plenty of time for 88/89 rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C17Driver Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Best reason for a hook I've heard about this year was for a stud not writing his name correctly in his dash 1. Bam, 88 ride, $1600 of gas, and another jet/ip taken (and 88 pilots are flt/cc or higher). Doesn't pass the sanity check. Syllabus would call for a ground eval only. I take it you heard this from a friend of a friend that was in the other room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Wait, does anyone really think not having your name written in a fucking dash one is even remotely close to deserving of anything? WTFO? Pubs checks are fucking stupid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneStar Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Dont' give the 'carnivores' any other reason to chide. Let me eat in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10percenttruth Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Don't feed the troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVIL Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Dont' give the 'carnivores' any other reason to chide. Let me eat in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaman Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 A high failure rate is more of a reflection of how well the training program/instructors are. Checkrides should serve as validation that the training given is meeting it's objectives. Just the .02 cents of a former military aircrew instructor and airline check airman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amcflyboy Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 A high failure rate is more of a reflection of how well the training program/instructors are. Checkrides should serve as validation that the training given is meeting it's objectives. Just the .02 cents of a former military aircrew instructor and airline check airman. Shack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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