jazzdude Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I don't need a $500 PDF reader (the FLIP book works just fine for now), but we are going to need a way of better interfacing with Integrated DAPA. Sounds like someone who hasn't had to drag around 60lbs of worldwide flip. Integrated stuff is great, but it seems like it devolves into feature creep, missed deadlines, and something painful for the end user to actually use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Our TODO just brought us our iPads today at drill. They're off the network, and updated manually once a week by the TODO and his appointed help. HUGE improvement over the toughbook/laptops. Not having to login with a CAC and check for a daily sync, etc. is going to be great. Grab n go is where it's at! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sounds like someone who hasn't had to drag around 60lbs of worldwide flip. Exactly. It covers TOs, GP, charts, approach plates. Weighs 1.69 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 iPad Mini's are what AMC should've bought for EFB's. Macdill is already using them instead of paper FLIP. They fit perfectly in the flightsuit leg pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSRShot Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sounds like someone who hasn't had to drag around 60lbs of worldwide flip. Integrated stuff is great, but it seems like it devolves into feature creep, missed deadlines, and something painful for the end user to actually use. Nope I certainly have. Good thing is you can put the whole bag down. I only use one book at a time, so maybe I'm not a paper power-user. My point though had nothing to do with the advantages of EFBs. Believe me, I get it. It has more to do with people trying to piss up a rope to get iPads for crews and they have no technical understanding how our crews/platform systems works. I am sure every dude wants a free iPad, but it's going to be a waste the minute we have to use the Windows based one because of our other technical limitations. We have a depot and development team for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 iPad Mini's are what AMC should've bought for EFB's. Macdill is already using them instead of paper FLIP. They fit perfectly in the flightsuit leg pocket. Fortunately unit tech refresh costs are on the Wings, you they can get them if they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Sounds about right for a govt program. Progress being held up by one person. I'm not totally up to speed on the whole thing, but I know ejection seats are part of the problem. Another part is what device do you use, since you need EMI testing/release by specific model as well as security concerns given that multiple ACC aircraft operate at the program level on a day to day basis. Once you put those two things together you have a sustainment problem to consider. Staff work is boring and frustrating.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSRShot Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Fortunately unit tech refresh costs are on the Wings, you they can get them if they want. I might be slightly off, but that's "tech refresh" not new capability. Tech refresh dollars maintain already existent IT items for unit C4 situations. Now, I'm not dense, I know we "cross the streams" on money where necessary to do the job, but by-the-book that's not what that money is for...and not all of us work where we can pretend that's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) I might be slightly off, but that's "tech refresh" not new capability. Tech refresh dollars maintain already existent IT items for unit C4 situations. Now, I'm not dense, I know we "cross the streams" on money where necessary to do the job, but by-the-book that's not what that money is for...and not all of us work where we can pretend that's true.i may be slightly off but Azimuth's original post was referencing an AMC wing that had iPads already and they seem to be replacing them with the iPad mini. Home star was replying to that post wrt tech refresh not new purchases. And if not then MacDill found a way, but again AMC is already on the EFB train. Edited February 11, 2015 by Herk Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 i may be slightly off but Azimuth's original post was referencing an AMC wing that had iPads already and they seem to be replacing them with the iPad mini. Home star was replying to that post wrt tech refresh not new purchases. And if not then MacDill found a way, but again AMC is already on the EFB train. They're not replacing them, they're in Phase III of AMC's EFB program. All aircrew members have their own iPad's, however the crews check out iPad Mini's in a electronic FLIP bag instead of using paper FLIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Chances are the iPad minis were purchased with local money. AMC's massive 15,000 iPad purchase a couple years ago was just to get everyone on the train, as it were. But what do I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 McChord is in the proccess of swapping out our iPads for iPad Airs. No idea on where the money or how they are doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcola Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Is anyone currently using the Foreflight Military Flight Bag software? I have the Foreflight basic subscription on my IPad mini and occasionally strap it to my knee for a bit more SA and I like it, but it would be nice to have the worldwide Flip accessible on Foreflight. I thought they used to give this option at no additional charge, but now there website shows $299 for an annual subscription to the MFB. That's steep considering my current subscription is $75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10percenttruth Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) We use it & it's awesome. I can't speak to the price, but I do know that it quickly fills the 16GB of memory on an iPad if you have all your pubs on there as well. Edited February 21, 2015 by 10percenttruth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 The price is cheap for worldwide georeferenced plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Nope I certainly have. Good thing is you can put the whole bag down. I only use one book at a time, so maybe I'm not a paper power-user. My point though had nothing to do with the advantages of EFBs. Believe me, I get it. It has more to do with people trying to piss up a rope to get iPads for crews and they have no technical understanding how our crews/platform systems works. I am sure every dude wants a free iPad, but it's going to be a waste the minute we have to use the Windows based one because of our other technical limitations. We have a depot and development team for a reason. "Every dude wants a free iPad"? Ours are checked out at step, then turned back in. Total of 8 regular iPads (for the guys in the back) and 8 iPad minis (for the guys with less storage space up front). Perhaps there is some unique quirk about your aircraft that prevents you from using iPads...but since AMC already has them and has demonstrated them, that's what we went with. And it was still a year of wrangling with ACC to get them approved. Even now we're still in the trial phase, so we're carrying paper AND iPads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 "Every dude wants a free iPad"? Ours are checked out at step, then turned back in. Total of 8 regular iPads (for the guys in the back) and 8 iPad minis (for the guys with less storage space up front). . C17 aircrew get issued their own iPad by the unit to keep till the PCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 C17 aircrew get issued their own iPad by the unit to keep till the PCS. Interesting. Are they completely locked down with regards to what you can put on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10percenttruth Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Interesting. Are they completely locked down with regards to what you can put on them? B-52s are the same (issued to each crewdog), and yes, they're locked down by an OGV-controlled profile. The only updates crews can do are pubs updates & foreflight downloads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSTED Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 C17 aircrew get issued their own iPad by the unit to keep till the PCS. I once heard a rumor (myth, hopefully) that it's a Q3 if it's not above 90% charged at step time... Truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 If I remember right AMC published battery charging guidelines for OGVs when Phase II started. How harsh your OGV is on enforcing a charging standard probably varies by unit. In my current unit my guess is that my iPad is more charged and up to date than my DOV's. A Q3 for pubs for a low charge on an iPad would be a jerk move, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsa Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Do the aircraft that are utilizing EFBs have a USB plug-in to recharge/power them during flight? Most GA aircraft have that ability and I'm wondering if the USAF has had the foresight to add the feature to its aircraft as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 The KC-135 has an adapter at the nav station that can be rigged to accept a power strip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I once heard a rumor (myth, hopefully) that it's a Q3 if it's not above 90% charged at step time... Truth? Going rate is 10% for every hour of flight but a minimum of 50%. The C17 has power outlets to charge the iPads on. Yes you can Q3 for not having the iPad configured and charged. Tthere's actually a preflight and postflight checklist to properly configure your EFB for flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Tthere's actually a preflight and postflight checklist to properly configure your EFB for flight. AMC...taking the fun out of everything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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