Breckey Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 DISA and the AF do not know what to do with Apple products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 What is the rational behind a Q3 for not having an Ipad "properly" locked during a brief, de-brief, or on the jet??? Seems like a little bit of an overkill... is it like saying if you can't properly lock your ipad you must not be able to properly fly your plane (you know... like not properly tucking in your PT gear)... which will result in a fiery death of everyone on board? If not that, then I guess they must think highly of all that super secret flip we carry around on those things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 What is the rational behind a Q3 for not having an Ipad "properly" locked Sounds like the MAF standard shitty attitude towards the Q3 as a tool to document/ruthlessly punish the smallest of deviations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetfreezer Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 We're having problems getting stuff we actually need on the EFBs. For instance, the UTTR range guide is FOUO, and we had it on the EFB initially, but once comm found out it was marked as such, we were directed to remove it. Same thing with the JFIRE. Some BS about the OPR hasn't "given us permission to use it" on the EFB. The comm nazis are having a field day with this. We've also been told that is has to be password protected until we get to the jet, at which time we can unprotect it, but only for the duration of the flight, and God help you if you're caught with it sitting on your desk and no password. Our EFB guru Lt has been directed to do random spot checks, and there's some sort of violation involved (sts) if he finds your iPad in such a condition. Are your iPads plugged into NIPR? Plenty of bases have stand-alone networks for mission planning, etc. which are considered weapons systems (since they are linked by JMPS, etc very closely to their supported MWS) and controlled by wing weapons/similar vs the comm squadron (only jurisdiction over NIPR/SIPR/other DoD external networks). Just update the iPads from a standalone computer to remove the CS jurisdiction from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 The AFGSC EFB policy does not allow any sensitive but unclassified (FOUO, PII, DCNI) because DISA hasn't explicitly cleared the iPad for anything but unclassified and specifically cleared limited distribution tech orders. Ours is hooked up to a stand alone computer on a commercial isp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 DISA Those guys are just REALLY improving our computer capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 It's not their job to improve our computer capabilities. It's their job to protect the network. They are over-reacting to the iPads, however, because they never touch the NIPR since they can only be updated through a stand-alone computer. There is an A3 vs. A6 fight going on every day at AMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Their mission sounds like more than protect to me, but either way you can protect by completely clamping down on your network and making it unusable. It just doesn't benefit anyone. Agree on the iPads only connecting to stand-alone computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Wow. Travis doesn't have any rules like this and they were the ones pushing all the EFB development for the past 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadBoom Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Wouldn't make much sense to have the same set of rules for EFBs across the entire Air Force. [/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Wouldn't make much sense to have the same set of rules for EFBs across the entire Air Force. [/sarcasm] The AMC EFB CONEMP is standard for all AMC units with EFBs. How much you're allowed to bend those rules depends almost entirely on your Wing leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadBoom Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 The AMC EFB CONEMP is standard for all AMC units with EFBs. How much you're allowed to bend those rules depends almost entirely on your Wing leadership. I know. My comment was geared more towards AFGSC, ACC, and AFSOC having what appears to be totally different EFB standards than what I see in my little corner of AMC/AFRC. Hell, even the AD here at WRI are allowed to do more with their EFBs than we (AFRC) are. So much capability, being hamstrung by people who are afraid of "new" technology that they refuse to take the time to understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Those guys are just REALLY improving our computer capabilities. I'm in a horrible staff job right now in basically the AF NIPR Program Office. The AF is trying to set up a stand-alone network specifically for getting EFBs loaded with data in a way that doesn't force the ops units to pay for ComCast or similar providers. Also, there's tremendous conflict within the AF and DoD right now: nobody can figure out the right way to leverage commercial cloud storage. DISA wants to pretend that firms like Amazon aren't really attractive options for data that isn't sensitive or for data that has been double or triple encrypted. Separately, our system of funding base infrastructure (i.e...buildings, power and HVAC) separately from IT has caused the Comm community to not consolidate in the way that the outside world has. Bros....you'd be shocked if you walked in to companies like Google or Akamai. Nobody has a desktop at a firm of more than 100 people... and that change happened five years ago in the outside world. Lesson: don't go to a staff or broadening job. Just keep flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 So much capability, being hamstrung by people who are afraid of "new" technology that they refuse to take the time to understand... Word. Lesson: don't go to a staff or broadening job. Just keep flying. Word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkPerfMan Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Anyone have experience with AirWatch related to iPad EFBs? It is the Mobile Device Management (MDM) system recently approved by DISA. I've heard of it being adopted at several organizations to manage EFBs (deploy apps and content). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 AMC is rolling out MobileIron as an MDM this year. Should be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahWeed Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 We're using Airwatch version 4.9.1110 at FedEx with our iPads. I don't have anything to compare it to, so I'm not sure what kind of feedback I can offer. Generally speaking it works pretty well. You can view the various pubs/manuals using it or open them up in some other reader you prefer. The app sometimes just quits working and closes during updates and you have to restart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosepileit Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Mobileiron at UPS. It is fine, except when they forget to tell it an approved app update exists but they do post the crews. It fires a nastygram that might Q3 all AMC. What could go awry there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkPerfMan Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 AirWatch and MobileIron seem pretty similar in terms of functionality. And a lot better than updating apps and docs manually through iTunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpnjive Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Any insight as to how useful ForeFlight would be during UPT? During the instrument/cross country flights, would it be a time saver to be able to check weather/NOTAMS/TFR's/review enroute charts/approach plates, bascially flight planning, all in one place instead of looking through multiple sites online for the same info? My subscription, which I used a civilian, is about to expire so I am just debating if it is worth it to renew now that I am in UPT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Good luck bring able to use it in the aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 You'll not find it useful in the jet. Maybe at enroute stops, but Baseopses and FBOs have everything you'd need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ratner Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Don't bother, unless you also have some money that is about to expire. I would have been fine with it as an instructor, but you won't have many opportunities to use it in T-6s, and if you find yourself needing it in T-1s, you can always get it then. But you probably won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpnjive Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Thanks guys. I wasn't looking to fly with it obviously, just wondering if it would help out at all as a one place source for flight planning info. I'll save that money for more useful UPT expeditures, such as booze and IP shacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 You can download the NGA Aero App for free from the NGA NIPR ePub website. Not really any more functional than your paper FLIP, but everything is there digitally which (AP, GP, FIH, approaches, etc) if you want it all in one place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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