MooseAg03 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I'd say upper management fits that definition perfectly, "cannot distinguish fantasy from reality." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledemployee Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 How bout this idea? A flying deployment usually meant some extra coin and tax free. But hey, we're flying. A 179 or 365 non-flying, screw that. So, I propose a 179 pays an extra chunk of change, and a 365 even more so. It does 2 things, generates volunteers and deletes requirements. The AF shouldn't want to shell out for 10 dudes handing out towels at the gym and after a few rotes, they'll figure out how to cut down on the extraneous. Plus, they may start having folks do work that can be done stateside or make rotes much shorter. So all I'm saying is that if those long deployments are truly worth it, pay up an extra few thou a month. We already have Es doing deployments to gain tax free on re-up bonuses, so this kind of thing can work. Hell, they can even put a varying price tag depending on location and level of shit to deal with. Double a man's salary and someone will go to Asskrakistan for a few. And get rid of the "179" label. Make it 180 and give some credit. Sheesh! And beer in every location! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 59 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said: How bout this idea? A flying deployment usually meant some extra coin and tax free. But hey, we're flying. A 179 or 365 non-flying, screw that. So, I propose a 179 pays an extra chunk of change, and a 365 even more so. It does 2 things, generates volunteers and deletes requirements. The AF shouldn't want to shell out for 10 dudes handing out towels at the gym and after a few rotes, they'll figure out how to cut down on the extraneous. Plus, they may start having folks do work that can be done stateside or make rotes much shorter. So all I'm saying is that if those long deployments are truly worth it, pay up an extra few thou a month. We already have Es doing deployments to gain tax free on re-up bonuses, so this kind of thing can work. Hell, they can even put a varying price tag depending on location and level of shit to deal with. Double a man's salary and someone will go to Asskrakistan for a few. And get rid of the "179" label. Make it 180 and give some credit. Sheesh! And beer in every location! There is zero chance they could get Congress to fund this. Also 179 vs 180 is no longer relevant, they haven't given short tour credit for 180+ in quite some time. If AF wants to cut down on requirements, CSAF needs to call out the COCOMs on their requirements. I don't see our current CSAF going to bat on this one. The next best COA would be to start filling the 11X required billets with non-11Xs. When the non-rated folks show their ability to build power-point slides just as well as rated, they'll be able to drop the 11X requirement and get rid of the notion that the COCOM's "need" pilots to do their staff work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToyotaMC1 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 3 hours ago, ihtfp06 said: There is zero chance they could get Congress to fund this. Also 179 vs 180 is no longer relevant, they haven't given short tour credit for 180+ in quite some time. If AF wants to cut down on requirements, CSAF needs to call out the COCOMs on their requirements. I don't see our current CSAF going to bat on this one. The next best COA would be to start filling the 11X required billets with non-11Xs. When the non-rated folks show their ability to build power-point slides just as well as rated, they'll be able to drop the 11X requirement and get rid of the notion that the COCOM's "need" pilots to do their staff work. If we cut off the damn supply of Toyota Hiluxs every member of ISIS seems to have in Iraq/Syria, this war would come to a screeching halt. Then no more 179s or 365s boys and girls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 3 hours ago, ihtfp06 said: If AF wants to cut down on requirements, CSAF needs to call out the COCOMs on their requirements. I don't see our current CSAF going to bat on this one. The next best COA would be to start filling the 11X required billets with non-11Xs. When the non-rated folks show their ability to build power-point slides just as well as rated, they'll be able to drop the 11X requirement and get rid of the notion that the COCOM's "need" pilots to do their staff work. Even if CSAF does, SecDef can overrule him. I like your non-rated COA. I know of plenty of non-rated dudes who want a bigger piece of the operations pie, and some others who are getting too comfy not deploying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I had heard a story that when Mattis took over at CENTCOM, he was infuriated with staff bloat and vowed to cut the size of the CENTCOM staff, tasking his CoS to handle it. When he relinquished command, he asked the CoS how successful they had been in accomplishing this goal. As it turned out, they hadn't been successful at all, and manpower at HQ CENTCOM had swelled during his tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwatch Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I had heard a story that when Mattis took over at CENTCOM, he was infuriated with staff bloat and vowed to cut the size of the CENTCOM staff, tasking his CoS to handle it. When he relinquished command, he asked the CoS how successful they had been in accomplishing this goal. As it turned out, they hadn't been successful at all, and manpower at HQ CENTCOM had swelled during his tenure.I like stories from anonymous sources the best.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 I like stories from anonymous sources the best.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBonus if they caveat it with they weren't authorized to speak on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 42 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: Bonus if they caveat it with they weren't authorized to speak on the matter. Even better when there are multiple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 just gonna leave this here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Karma is a bitch sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 hours ago, uhhello said: Karma is a bitch sometimes. Hi, I'm Ryan who made that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Hi, I'm Ryan who made that post.Ryan, sorry to hear about this. Maybe one of the people you emailed will actually have the guts to look into it...Sounds like you stumbled into a great job in the real world though...I'm out next summer. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Azimuth said: Hi, I'm Ryan who made that post. I know. Can you fix my phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 27 minutes ago, uhhello said: I know. Can you fix my phone? What's wrong with it? Was it damaged when you help wreck that -60? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Azimuth said: Hi, I'm Ryan who made that post. Too bad, this kind of thing happens when we are all assumed guilty right off the bat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, Azimuth said: What's wrong with it? Was it damaged when you help wreck that -60? There it is. Love it. Enjoy your "top 25" job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, uhhello said: There it is. Love it. Enjoy your "top 25" job. If you only knew what I did, but you don't. It's nice being in an organization that actual values their people and invests in them. Not uses them until they burn out. The benefits are great too. You can talk shit, go run to AFEF and tell them how you were the keyboard warrior of the day. But there are other people, on this board no less, who went through something similar I did and they supported me along the way. Enjoy the sinking ship. Edited June 20, 2017 by Azimuth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, Azimuth said: If you only knew what I did, but you don't. It's nice being in an organization that actual values their people and invests in them. Not uses them until they burn out. The benefits are great too. You can talk shit, go run to AFEF and tell them how you were the keyboard warrior of the day. But there are other people, on this board no less, who went through something similar I did.l and supported me along the way. Enjoy the sinking ship. Dude from day one you have been a big blue my Air Force cock is larger than yours. You can't flip the script because you got dealt a apparently shitty hand. Good luck in the future. I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 So it seems like you two know each other.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Duck said: So it seems like you two know each other. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Well yeah, he's the FE to make sure you guys run checklists on -60's. I just work for a fruit company. Edited June 20, 2017 by Azimuth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Apple, that was hard. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Azimuth said: What's wrong with it? Was it damaged when you help wreck that -60? JFC, you really have no issue coming in off the top rope, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwatch Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I love a good keyboard controversy. I hope we wring as much entertainment out of this before something bad happens Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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