What's wrong with the Air Force?

[ViperMan]

1 hour ago, Herk Driver said:

Civilians don't wander the terrazzo anymore, post 9-11 (unless something has changed). Civilians absolutely don't wander the dorms, which is where this "encounter" took place.

Also, cadets know when it is a reunion weekend so they aren't caught off guard by the "random civilian" roaming the hallways.


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Nor did they pre-9/11...

[MooseAg03]

Further proof the shoe clerks think they run the Air Force - why does military clothing not sell rank for flight suits anymore? I went there today and they only have 1st and 2nd Lt rank, absolutely no Major or Lt Col and not even a spot on the shelf for it. They told me to order it on the exchange website, but you can't even get it there. I tried to go to alterations and they would only give me one set of take-offs because they have so many people asking for it. I guess I'll just start flying in ABUs since there's no problem finding all of the ranks for that uniform. Doesn't this f*cking service exist to fly airplanes? Then why the f*ck can I not get rank for my f*cking flight suits?


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[Right Seat Driver]

9 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said:

Further proof the shoe clerks think they run the Air Force - why does military clothing not sell rank for flight suits anymore? I went there today and they only have 1st and 2nd Lt rank, absolutely no Major or Lt Col and not even a spot on the shelf for it. They told me to order it on the exchange website, but you can't even get it there. I tried to go to alterations and they would only give me one set of take-offs because they have so many people asking for it. I guess I'll just start flying in ABUs since there's no problem finding all of the ranks for that uniform. Doesn't this f*cking service exist to fly airplanes? Then why the f*ck can I not get rank for my f*cking flight suits?


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The word I got from AAFES is the contractor that made the flight suit/BDU rank went TU, and AAFES is looking for a new contractor now.

I had to order my rank from Vanguard.  It is a lot more expensive than the AAFES brand.  O-4 Vanguard runs $3.55 versus the AAFES $0.95.  Good luck.

[MooseAg03]

Yeah, ordering everything I need from Vanguard is costing $50+. Clothing sales didn't have shoulder boards or metal rank. But you sure can find everything you need if you're an 0-6.


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[Naviguesser]

10 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

But your exec sure can find everything you need if you're an 0-6.

FIFY

[matmacwc]

On 7/18/2016 at 4:39 PM, matmacwc said:

What is wrong? This....

http://www.wltx.com/mb/news/crime/shaw-air-force-colonel-charged-with-child-pornography/275993006

 

not even sure this is the right place to post, Shaw bubbas, words?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/17/air-force-colonel-sentenced-for-child-porn-mishandling-classified-documents.amp.html

Allow me to quote myself, still what is wrong.

 

[Duck]

Can't really blame him for the classified docs (Hillary defense) but man what a terrible story.


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[Day Man]

A folder labelled "Jail Bait" is a little damning to your defense...

[Boomer6]

On 1/29/2017 at 0:28 AM, ThreeHoler said:

 

Is this just fantasy?

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

[MechGov]

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

Maxwell?


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[fire4effect]

On ‎2‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 0:11 AM, MooseAg03 said:

Yeah, ordering everything I need from Vanguard is costing $50+. Clothing sales didn't have shoulder boards or metal rank. But you sure can find everything you need if you're an 0-6.


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You reminded me of a similar situation at one of the small exchanges in Baghdad back in the day. It seemed for the longest time you could find a few lower enlisted rank insignia, O-5 and O-6 rank insignia and I swear I'm not making this up but at least six 4 Star General Officer rank insignias. Those same six sat on the shelf for weeks. I think General Petraeus was the only 4 Star in theater at that time. To this day I regret not buying one as a souvenir as an unbeatable reminder of the sheer buffoonery

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clarity

[Cameronjake7]

This is my first post so I guess I'll introduce myself as well. I am an A1C at Minot, with almost 2 years in service, I came to this website to learn about becoming a pilot and the Academy but stumbled upon this forum. I know I don't have near the years or experience that everyone here has but my concerns are just as sincere as the rest. I joined because I truly care about the Air Force. I couldn't wait to leave for basic.. But that's where it all started. I am sure the elders would laugh at what Basic has become. Tech school was a bunch of disrespectful new Airmen showing off in their uniforms. We had one Airman tell a Chief, a CHIEF, to screw off when he asked for his shaving waiver. A good bit of the first term Airman I know can't wait for their contracts to end or are claiming "depression" so they can get out. I just don't understand, is this how it has always been? Is it possible for me to make an actual change? I just honestly care and figured I could ask the guys who have been around for a while.

[HU&W]

4 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

If only AFI 36-2903 was written to be in compliance with AFI 33-360, 1.9.3.2.1 and table 1.1, there wouldn't be so much confusion as to who can waive the requirement to keep sleeves down.  If, for example, "Non-compliance puts Airmen, commanders, or the USAF strongly at risk of mission or program failure, death, injury, legal jeopardy or fraud, waste or abuse."  The the AFI's approving official would have to be consulted.  If not, it could easily be waived by MAJCOM/CC or even Wing/CC.  Certainly, a GO at HAF should have the necessary authorities.

[Day Man]

17 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

 

17 hours ago, MechGov said:

Maxwell?


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[MechGov]

Ah, disregard for reading comprehension. My bad.

The shoes at Maxwell really got their panties in a wad over 36-2903 because they had a UCI. Too the point of bringing MTIs to high traffic areas of the base to police for such egregious offenses as not having flight suit pockets zipped after you took your cover out of your leg.

They also had a penchant for making up asinine uniform policy just to make -2903 more restrictive.


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[jazzdude]

The shoes at Maxwell really got their panties in a wad over 36-2903 because they had a UCI. Too the point of bringing MTIs to high traffic areas of the base to police for such egregious offenses as not having flight suit pockets zipped after you took your cover out of your leg.

They also had a penchant for making up asinine uniform policy just to make -2903 more restrictive.

They were doing this when I was there for SOS. Solution? Buy a second hat...(ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer)

Some non flyers in my class were happy to call out flightsuit wearers on the leg pocket not being zipped. They weren't so happy when they got called out by the staff for not having their ABU cargo pockets buttoned. "But it's where I store my cover, and buttoning it makes it hard to get my cover out." Ironic.

[nsplayr]

15 hours ago, jazzdude said:

Solution? Buy a second hat...(ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer)

Edited April 8, 2017 by nsplayr

[dream big]

13 hours ago, MechGov said:

Ah, disregard for reading comprehension. My bad.

The shoes at Maxwell really got their panties in a wad over 36-2903 because they had a UCI. Too the point of bringing MTIs to high traffic areas of the base to police for such egregious offenses as not having flight suit pockets zipped after you took your cover out of your leg.

They also had a penchant for making up asinine uniform policy just to make -2903 more restrictive.


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We paid MTIs to come TDY to bark at people about their zippers? That's it, I'm done.

[Trogdor]

13 hours ago, MechGov said:

Ah, disregard for reading comprehension. My bad.

The shoes at Maxwell really got their panties in a wad over 36-2903 because they had a UCI. Too the point of bringing MTIs to high traffic areas of the base to police for such egregious offenses as not having flight suit pockets zipped after you took your cover out of your leg.

They also had a penchant for making up asinine uniform policy just to make -2903 more restrictive.


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Reminds me of my SOS experience when they had some inspection going on.... I was walking out of the BX after lunch with my drink (sipping from the straw), halfway to my car I hear this "captain...captain... CAPTIAN... CAPTIAN."  It was about the 5th or 6th iteration that I realize, "captain" meant me.  This sends me into flashbacks of my freshman year where I am ready to get thoroughly screamed at by some upperclassman screaming "4 degree."  As I turn around, I am surprised to see this TSgt in a nice gallop from halfway across the parking lot, only to say "sir, you are not supposed to drink that drink while you are walking....it's against the regs and we have this inspection and all."  Due to the surprised look I gave him as he came up, I think I could see the embarrassment in his face as he realized what he was doing, so I just said "Ok, thanks".  I sometimes still regret not having a more clever retort to this menial correction in the middle of my day. 

I think, more than anything, I was just baffled at being addressed like a freshman from the Academy (by a TSgt) when I was a mid-level Captain.  That, with my classmates (good people and only three or so aircrew, but its telling when I had more deployments than all of them combined), made me understand that the priorities of the AF was severely off course and in the wrong direction. 

[matmacwc]

Well this is quickly merging into the Died forum, where I would just laugh and laugh at the chiefs who tried to chief me.  My name is Captain Blues, my unit is at 1060 W. Addison.

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7 hours ago, Trogdor said:

Reminds me of my SOS experience when they had some inspection going on.... I was walking out of the BX after lunch with my drink (sipping from the straw), halfway to my car I hear this "captain...captain... CAPTIAN... CAPTIAN."  It was about the 5th or 6th iteration that I realize, "captain" meant me.  This sends me into flashbacks of my freshman year where I am ready to get thoroughly screamed at by some upperclassman screaming "4 degree."  As I turn around, I am surprised to see this TSgt in a nice gallop from halfway across the parking lot, only to say "sir, you are not supposed to drink that drink while you are walking....it's against the regs and we have this inspection and all."  Due to the surprised look I gave him as he came up, I think I could see the embarrassment in his face as he realized what he was doing, so I just said "Ok, thanks".  I sometimes still regret not having a more clever retort to this menial correction in the middle of my day. 

I think, more than anything, I was just baffled at being addressed like a freshman from the Academy (by a TSgt) when I was a mid-level Captain.  That, with my classmates (good people and only three or so aircrew, but its telling when I had more deployments than all of them combined), made me understand that the priorities of the AF was severely off course and in the wrong direction. 

Your story made me flashback to the days of the BDUs and ergo testing.

I think I know what caused this to happen. Imagine a person walking around the office in tight ass BDUs with a huge gut hanging out of their top and sipping off a massive Big Gulp from 7 Eleven. Now remove the office environment and replace it with a BX parking lot. 

We can't have an overweight person walking around the BX parking lot with the largest Big Gulp ever made and their BDUs glued to their body. CMSgt: Nobody should be allowed to walk and drink in uniform again.

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Your story made me flashback to the days of the BDUs and ergo testing.
I think I know what caused this to happen. Imagine a person walking around the office in tight ass BDUs with a huge gut hanging out of their top and sipping off a massive Big Gulp from 7 Eleven. Now remove the office environment and replace it with a BX parking lot. 
We can't have an overweight person walking around the BX parking lot with the largest Big Gulp ever made and their BDUs glued to their body. CMSgt: Nobody should be allowed to walk and drink in uniform again.

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1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said:

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Obviously, someone has a beef with me. Pardon me fellow base ops forum members but I'm going to bite, then not feed the troll. "We aren't in elementary school anymore..."grow da fk up."

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[MechGov]

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Obviously, someone has a beef with me. Pardon me fellow base ops forum members but I'm going to bite, then not feed the troll. "We aren't in elementary school anymore..."grow da fk up."

I just think it's funny you liked my post.


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