Toasty Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I'm getting back into the jet after 7 months of downtime, so I wasn't quite up-to-speed on the latest administrivia involved with getting airborne out of WRI. On my second flight, we had a MX issue requiring an avionics box R&R. I called Command Post to let them know about it and give them an ETIC; they responded with "When were you Dash-1 preflight complete?". During start and the extended taxi, I heard at least three other jets on the ramp call in with problems, call blocked out, or call airborne; the initial response from CP was "When were you Dash-1 preflight complete?" each time. They're playing the stupid fucking numbers game again, big-time. edit: format Wait, *command post* is asking those questions? "Unable." If it's a problem to the point of affecting choices or creating workload in the air, I'd talk the SQ/CC for some top-cover to knock that shit off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I would hesitate to complain about the McGoo CP asking that...since it's much better than it used to be with "partial crew show"; "full crew show"; "close up"; "block out"; etc. The only metric that matters for Ops "on-time" is -1 preflight complete x minutes prior to takeoff.I'll take the single time (-1 preflight) over all the previous times any day.That said, I tend to wind up with a lot of "crew directed MX" delay codes because I don't give a shit about fighting stupid battles. I pick them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 MX actually under OPS or not isn't really an issue. The issue is communication. If MX is under OPS, the comm is forced, but it can still exist if separate. In other words as the OPS guy I explain to MX why I'm doing what I'm doing, and what my priorities are, he responds with how my schedule may impact follow on lines and if I stick to my schedule I may in fact be fucking myself. If I say I'm willing to take that risk, then I've accepted if they can't deliver aircraft for those follow on lines it's on me. Chasing metrics is counter productive, it doesn't show the importance of one set of sorties over another and it doesn't allow ops and mx to make real time calls about where to put the weight of effort. Metrics are useful to track trends but not as a measure of merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Metrics are useful to track trends but not as a measure of merit. I don't know what crazy organization you work for, but this is the USAF we are talking about. Know your audience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Well Cyber AFSC is splitting again, but they dropped a CFETP for us now. Figure that one out. We're also being directed to start getting certifications though funding and planning for that will be accomplished "in the future." Do you Ops guys have CFETPs or do you track your training a different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baileynme Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Never heard of those, can you include a brief description? Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Do you Ops guys have CFETPs or do you track your training a different way. I had never heard of a CFETP until I became the lone rated dude in an acquisitions organization. It's definitely a non-rated thing. Instead, the rated world has MAJCOM-approved upgrades for each crew position. CFETP = Career Field Education & Training Plan. Basically, it's a guide to what training at what time is appropriate for each AFSC. It's authored by the functionals for each AFSC at SAF. It replaces that speech from an iron-major that each rated Lt gets when landing in an ops squadron. For the non-rated folks, numbers in each org is smaller, so that type of feedback is formally published. Edited August 7, 2014 by Dupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) I had never heard of a CFETP until I became the lone rated dude in an acquisitions organization. It's definitely a non-rated thing. Instead, the rated world has MAJCOM-approved upgrades for each crew position. CFETP = Career Field Education & Training Plan. Basically, it's a guide to what training at what time is appropriate for each AFSC. It's authored by the functionals for each AFSC at SAF. It replaces that speech from an iron-major that each rated Lt gets when landing in an ops squadron. For the non-rated folks, numbers in each org is smaller, so that type of feedback is formally published. Yep. It's basically a list of every skill with identifiers of knowledge level that every person in the AFSC should. For example task: send email - id'd as a core task(so required for qualification)/optional - requires initial(familiarization)/journeyman(performance)/craftsman(trainer) level knowledge - signed off by a higher level than the trainee accomplishing it This is.. amazing. I'm not sure how they're going to accomplish this in the local Comm Sq. We get CC's in that never hit a NOSC/Crew CC/Cyber Ops position and will not be signed off on tasks that could be required. I suppose they'll grandfather people in.. though that makes no sense from a training standpoint. They could just make it so local comm support requirements are very little and once you get to a Cyber Ops area you've got to back train on tons of items. Which will be fun trying to train up as an O4 DO with a Lt/Capt signing you off on stuff. Oh.. and the Ops positions also have their own training requirements separate from this. Chance of those going away in favor of this - nil. Thanks AF, more duplication of work! Where's the space guy? Is this how you all do it? Found space guy's username and PM'd him to not clutter the board. Edited August 7, 2014 by 17D_guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingnut Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 It's the same in the ops world in some respects. I'm a late rate Maj with Capt IPs / 1lt INs who have signed of on my training folders. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadBoom Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Wait, *command post* is asking those questions? "Unable." If it's a problem to the point of affecting choices or creating workload in the air, I'd talk the SQ/CC for some top-cover to knock that shit off. Our WG/CC seems to enjoy creating these food fights between Ops and MX re: the various timelines, metrics, delay and canx reasons, etc. SQ/CC can't do much when his own boss is a huge part of the problem... I would hesitate to complain about the McGoo CP asking that...since it's much better than it used to be with "partial crew show"; "full crew show"; "close up"; "block out"; etc. The only metric that matters for Ops "on-time" is -1 preflight complete x minutes prior to takeoff. I'll take the single time (-1 preflight) over all the previous times any day. We still get beat up on crew show times; see above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Our WG/CC seems to enjoy creating these food fights between Ops and MX re: the various timelines, metrics, delay and canx reasons, etc. SQ/CC can't do much when his own boss is a huge part of the problem... We still get beat up on crew show times; see above. Has anyone at McGuire wondered out loud why the Travis guys aren't trying to go east anymore? That place sounds terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HercDude Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 More on the Lt Col Blair Kaiser saga: http://www.jqpublic-blog.com/raging-white-jettisoning-lt-col-blair-kaiser-air-forces-ethics-problem/ The AF managed a one page response and cited unproven allegations to a Congressional inquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBomb Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I was approved for VSP in this last round and during my outprocessing was required to speak to reserve recruiter on base. He told me I could still Palace Chase, but would need my entire PT history, last three OPRs, and a bio in that order for any job I put in for. Maybe I'll go ANG... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Has anyone at McGuire wondered out loud why the Travis guys aren't trying to go east anymore? That place sounds terrible. Because its in NJ? Not that I would trade one socialist state for another but there are still more redeeming qualities in CA than NJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I was approved for VSP in this last round and during my outprocessing was required to speak to reserve recruiter on base. He told me I could still Palace Chase, but would need my entire PT history, last three OPRs, and a bio in that order for any job I put in for. Maybe I'll go ANG...You think ANG isn't going to ask for OPRs and a resume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBomb Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 You think ANG isn't going to ask for OPRs and a resume? I don't care about OPRs and resumes, my point was that the Reserves seen to be going as crazy about PT history as AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 You're right, you should probably just apply to the guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Things in the Guard are changing my friend...big time! OPRs have started getting ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Reserve, and many ANG units, have become nothing more than mini-AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hispeed7721 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 there are still more redeeming qualities in CA than NJ. That's a VERY bold statement...I don't know that either have any qualities redeeming enough to overcome the negatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 That's a VERY bold statement...I don't know that either have any qualities redeeming enough to overcome the negatives You're right but if I had to choose, I think I would go with CA. At least they have things like the sanoma wine country, the mountains, etc. Not many people I know take vacations to NJ over CA. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 My Amn got called in over the weekend to update the GAL rank for a recently promoted O7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 the GO couldn't figure out how to use self-help? Or have his aide do it for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hispeed7721 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 My Amn got called in over the weekend to update the GAL rank for a recently promoted O7. YGBFSM...This is one of the headliners for this thread. Heaven forbid someone send this chode an email and see Col instead of BG in his GAL listing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 YGBFSM...This is one of the headliners for this thread. Heaven forbid someone send this chode an email and see Col instead of BG in his GAL listing Send an email to him over the weekend, at that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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