ram02 Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 able to grade leaders on how considerate they are of airmen’s time. I feel my commander is inconsiderate of my time. He keeps making me "fly missions" and "show up to work." All this is getting in the way of my beer drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallingOsh Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 I've heard a few O-6's say that the time is starting where we have to do less with less now, and it's a challenge. Being lazy is easy when there's no work to do. It's not some magical O-6 revelation that we'll have to do less work when there's less money, less jets, less people, and less deployments. I bet some of those profits make General with foresight like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 http://www.airforcem...th-Boredom.aspx To help prevent airmen from getting bored in their jobs after 12 hard years of war and being in a specific career field, the Air Force needs to find a way to retain them, said Cody during the Sept. 18 briefing. Without a sense of adventure, "bored airmen will go somewhere else," he said. "They will not hang around long." Cody said "it's difficult to say" what must change since not all airmen are back yet, but this is something senior leadership will have to discuss. "We need to integrate them back into their units" and allow them to "decompress," he said. "Normal's going to look dramatically different when you take [the airmen] out of that [combat] environment," said Cody. yeah, boredom...that's at the top of my list of problems to solve. Although, to give him some credit, he is right, "They will not hang around long"... but please no more creative "adventures". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KState_Poke22 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 http://www.airforcem...th-Boredom.aspx yeah, boredom...that's at the top of my list of problems to solve. Although, to give him some credit, he is right, "They will not hang around long"... but please no more creative "adventures". I think he kind of has a point. We all complain about deployments (and for many people they will continue past OEF to Africa and wherever else) but when we're just training and not going to Afghanistan to actually hack the mission it could definitely cause boredom in some people. Obviously that is HIGHLY dependent on your airframe/job/mission but it holds somewhat true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Maybe that statement is in response to drone pilots' horrific ATP take rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Was boredom a problem before OEF? I don't remember it being a problem in the 90s. Where is this guy coming from? From 2001 until present, the AF didn't seem to care much about high deployment rates other than giving lip service to them and making us fill out medical forms. But now they're worried about us being bored? YGBSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I think he kind of has a point. We all complain about deployments (and for many people they will continue past OEF to Africa and wherever else) but when we're just training and not going to Afghanistan to actually hack the mission it could definitely cause boredom in some people. Obviously that is HIGHLY dependent on your airframe/job/mission but it holds somewhat true. Are you kidding? Listening to the guys talk about pre-OEF/OIF days makes me jealous. I would love to get back to those days! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KState_Poke22 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Are you kidding? Listening to the guys talk about pre-OEF/OIF days makes me jealous. I would love to get back to those days! Fair enough, I guess it's different when you've seen both but for many of us post 9/11 is s we've known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitteEinBit Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Airmen "won't hang around long?" Isn't that what the Air Force wants? We don't have a retention problem...you said so just 6 short months ago when we talked about more personnel cuts.. Retention is the highest it has been in 16 years. Airmen will hang around...don't worry Air Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoleIt Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Today's what's wrong with the AF: Catching shit for not going to a WG/CC's Call because the scheduling shop is a disaster. No, I can't take 90 minutes away from the shop if you want to fly next month...oh yea that's right Shirt and Sup you aren't fliers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaddebate Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Looks like Welsh and Cody have a similar mindset:Welsh also expressed concern about retaining the Air Force’s best Airmen, specifically pilots, as training hours dwindle and units are grounded. “Our rated force has options,” Welsh said. “They served well and now they have choices to make … If we’re not letting them keep their edge, they’ll walk.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Are you kidding? Listening to the guys talk about pre-OEF/OIF days makes me jealous. I would love to get back to those days! In fairness the AF was engaged in Northern and Southern Watch so the AF deployment schedule hasn't been calm since the first Gulf War. The Army and US public usually forgets that, 23 years of combat/deployment ops to a sandy craphole, nothing to be jealous of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 So in between TDYs I try and take a little leave...then I get to go to work while I'm on leave because there are still OPRs and medals to write. Yeah, I'm super concerned about getting bored. Are these guys high? I thought spice was outlawed in the AF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 So in between TDYs I try and take a little leave...then I get to go to work while I'm on leave because there are still OPRs and medals to write. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bode Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) Well I honestly remember the pre9/11 world and the operations we were doing I was not really bored. I can say that as a maintainer we had time to properly do inspection methodically and put quality work into repairs. Amazing how times have changed. I believe people will still be busy but not working 12+ hrs and still going home to work EPR/OPRs and trying to find gym time. Rather be Flying but I'm using Tapatalk Edited September 21, 2013 by Lstcause257 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Apparently you've never combined use or lose with a stack of shit-to-do in September. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABoom Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Still believe Careerism is the root of all evil in the AF. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TarHeelPilot Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 deaddebate-- the CSAF is spot-on with that assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Break, Break... What's this I'm hearing about an AMC-level Sq/CC being fired for using the term "Chiefed" in an e-mail to the squadron. Can anyone confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitteEinBit Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I believe it...especially if we are back to doing "sock checks." The war is over gents......oh, and Ladies too. I don't want to be fired for discrimination... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 It was the SQ/CC of the Spang F-16s that were in deployed to Kandahar who got fired for the "chiefed" comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I believe it...especially if we are back to doing "sock checks." The war is over gents... ...oh, and Ladies too. I don't want to be fired for discrimination... I've been waiting for years to drop my flight suit if I ever get sock checked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleRattle Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 It was the SQ/CC of the Spang F-16s that were in deployed to Kandahar who got fired for the "chiefed" comment. Details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Details? 2. Methinks there's more to this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 So in between TDYs I try and take a little leave...then I get to go to work while I'm on leave because there are still OPRs and medals to write. Yeah, I'm super concerned about getting bored. Are these guys high? I thought spice was outlawed in the AF Why would you take leave then go to work? If you're going to be at work writing OPRs and medals, don't go on leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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