Chicken Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Bullshit...I am/was an 11S. I had 0, I repeat, 0 negative descriminators, but was not offered continuation this year. I took the TERA...no idea why you wouldn't unless you know you definitely want to make a go of it in the reserves... For that matter, I know an 11H who got the same deal...I don't 100% know that he had 0 negative descriminators, but I'm fairly confident that he he was issue free. (Edited to elaborate) I don't understand the continuation board at all.. how are people for continuation selected? I would assume it was based off of not having any negative discriminators..but it seems random..? If I were to ask the board what I needed to do to raise my chances at being picked up for continuation, what would their response be? My IPZ board meets in March...and based on this past year I don't have high hopes for getting picked up. I think I remember someone here saying TERA is to be offered until 2018 which might allow me to pick up TERA in the case I don't make O5.. anyone else remember reading about that somewhere? Edited October 13, 2014 by Chicken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 My impression is that it has nothing at all to do with you personally. The only factor considered is AFSC. I was a T prefix instructor with no bad indicators in an undermanned year group. The only people they kept were pilots that year. I don't think you will have any way to influence the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 My impression is that it has nothing at all to do with you personally. The only factor considered is AFSC. I was a T prefix instructor with no bad indicators in an undermanned year group. The only people they kept were pilots that year. I don't think you will have any way to influence the decision. Someone has messed up my AFSCs somehow.. I have T12S as a duty and 11U for primary. Not sure if that would help, hurt, or do anything..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Someone has messed up my AFSCs somehow.. I have T12S as a duty and 11U for primary. Not sure if that would help, hurt, or do anything..? One showing you're a Nav and the other a Pilot? Get that fixed ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Someone has messed up my AFSCs somehow.. I have T12S as a duty and 11U for primary. Not sure if that would help, hurt, or do anything..? One showing you're a Nav and the other a Pilot? Get that fixed ASAP. "Duty AFSC" means exactly squat after you pin on major and leave the sq/Gp level jobs...Core ID and RTDM code are much more important to be correct. Duty AFSC is tied to the position # on the UMD you happen to occupy. On staff, it's very common to not have your core ID and duty AFSC match---mainly because there aren't enough officers of the right types to fill the staffs In a below-wing-level job, however, everything should match. Edited October 14, 2014 by Learjetter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) I'm a prior Personnelist, and I know how the UMD/UMPR work. However having a FTU Instructor Nav and a Rec/RPA Pilot AFSC on the same SURF is a major foul, unless that person went to UPT after being a Nav. Duty AFSC does mean squat after Major since that's what goes on your OPR and what billet you fill. Edited October 14, 2014 by Azimuth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discus Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Maybe it has something to do with you teaching and flying Navs around P-Cola and that is the reason for the T12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'm a prior Personnelist, and I know how the UMD/UMPR work. However having a FTU Instructor Nav and a Rec/RPA Pilot AFSC on the same SURF is a major foul, unless that person went to UPT after being a Nav. Duty AFSC does mean squat after Major since that's what goes on your OPR and what billet you fill. It's actually the AFSC I held as a UAV pilot/operator when UAVs were UAVs and not RPAs..before they changed to 18X or whatever it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'm a prior Personnelist....Duty AFSC does mean squat after Major since that's what goes on your OPR and what billet you fill. Got it. It matters for personnelists. Does not matter to anyone else, like senior raters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillEmAll Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I don't understand the continuation board at all.. how are people for continuation selected? I would assume it was based off of not having any negative discriminators..but it seems random..? If I were to ask the board what I needed to do to raise my chances at being picked up for continuation, what would their response be? My IPZ board meets in March...and based on this past year I don't have high hopes for getting picked up. I think I remember someone here saying TERA is to be offered until 2018 which might allow me to pick up TERA in the case I don't make O5.. anyone else remember reading about that somewhere? Found this: "The opportunity to retire under this TERA program is expected to end by December 31, 2018." I dont know if "expected" will turn into reality because it seems like nothing in the AF is solid anymore, but here is to hoping. Link http://www.dfas.mil/retiredmilitary/plan/retirement-types/2012-18tera.html And it must be AFSC thats the determining factor (barring any negative issues with your record), thats why I was asking SVFR if he was able to recall if he saw more than one AFSC than another on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litercola Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Heres the word I got wrt non-continuation during a non-select. counseling. -No negative quality indicators didn't really matter, it was dependent this past year and next year on who is on the critical AFSC list. -Normally that lists includes pilots, this past year it only included 11F, 11H, and a couple other random ones, the person I spoke with was suprised not to see 11S on it this time around. -To reiterate she stated that they expect this to continue, thus we now have a de-facto up or out system, regardless of DOPMA(congressional rules) Rumint follows: the reason they extended the TERA option was that AFPC, more specifically leadership at AFPC, said that the worst thing they did to pilot retention was the 2011 cut and a certain GO said under his watch this wouldn't happen. If you are wondering what your chances for continuation etc. are, have your functional inquire into who is on the critical skills list. Bare in mind that individual functionals(at the Majcom) level can petition to add AFSCs to that list...I'm not sure how much it counts though. Edited October 15, 2014 by litercola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearMonkey Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Are TERA and Guard/Reserve work mutually exclusive? I know you can't collect a TERA retirement check while serving in the Guard/Reserve but can you take TERA now, do 10-15 years of Guard/Reserve time and get promoted to O-5 while not collecting TERA retirement, then quit the Guard/Reserve gig prior to age 60 and resume TERA payments (plus extra for all the Guard/Reserve time)? I'm looking for the best way to game the system and this is an intriguing, but probably unlikely, possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Being "retired" and in the guard are mutually exclusive. Edited October 16, 2014 by SuperWSO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Seat Driver Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Someone has messed up my AFSCs somehow.. I have T12S as a duty and 11U for primary. Not sure if that would help, hurt, or do anything..? My Duty and Primary AFSCs were 11M cores my entire career until I was notified of my selection to meet the last RIF board. One week later my Duty and Primary AFSC was 12M. It took a month to get it fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Being "retired" and in the guard are mutually exclusive. Nope. I know two guys - one pilot and one FE that retired and joined the ARC. FE retired at 20+ and went Guard. Pilot retired via TERA and went reserves. When they work at the Guard/Reserve, they get their drill pay for that day. When they don't, they get their retired pay for that day. Just need a unit that will accept you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperMan Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Nope. I know two guys - one pilot and one FE that retired and joined the ARC. FE retired at 20+ and went Guard. Pilot retired via TERA and went reserves. When they work at the Guard/Reserve, they get their drill pay for that day. When they don't, they get their retired pay for that day. Just need a unit that will accept you. Valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Valid. Did not think it was possible. Most guard apps I've seen ask if you are receiving retirement pay. Thought that was an either or choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVFR Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Bullshit...I am/was an 11S. I had 0, I repeat, 0 negative descriminators, but was not offered continuation this year. I took the TERA...no idea why you wouldn't unless you know you definitely want to make a go of it in the reserves... For that matter, I know an 11H who got the same deal...I don't 100% know that he had 0 negative descriminators, but I'm fairly confident that he he was issue free. (Edited to elaborate) I saw the guidance the boards were suppose to use. However I do know an 11S who was going to be non-continued but was saved by a board member pointing out to his commander (also a board member) that he could be continued based on being 11S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVFR Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 In his boss's defense, the 11S was in a staff job and his boss was not 11S. I don't have any defense for big blue. There should have been some type of review so random luck wasn't the difference between continuation and non. I think I know the 11H you are referring too. I wouldn't imagine he had any discriminators but I think he self eliminated from a formal training course to deal with a personal family matter. That would have generated a training report that might have been viewed negatively. Of course he could have also had a board member that overlooked he was an 11H. Again, big blue fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrooster99 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 In his boss's defense, the 11S was in a staff job and his boss was not 11S. I don't have any defense for big blue. There should have been some type of review so random luck wasn't the difference between continuation and non. I think I know the 11H you are referring too. I wouldn't imagine he had any discriminators but I think he self eliminated from a formal training course to deal with a personal family matter. That would have generated a training report that might have been viewed negatively. Of course he could have also had a board member that overlooked he was an 11H. Again, big blue fail. If that was directed towards me, then yes, I believe we are talking about the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonedRiver Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Any RUMINT out there for SecAF's critical skills/afsc list this year wrt continuation? How about tera for passed over bros? I'm guessing probably a month or so before the results are out. Curious to see what jobs are continued/not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Any RUMINT out there for SecAF's critical skills/afsc list this year wrt continuation? How about tera for passed over bros? I'm guessing probably a month or so before the results are out. Curious to see what jobs are continued/not. June 9th is the official release. Haven't seen anything yet on continuation or TERA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 June 9th is the official release. Haven't seen anything yet on continuation or TERA. Any word on selection rate? Still at the projected 84%? Or does that come out after release? Why are captain s always continued while majors are not? I'm hoping they offer at least TERA to 2x passed over guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonedRiver Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I'm hoping they offer at least TERA to 2x passed over guys. Last year AFPC announced availability of TERA for 2x passed over dudes on 28 Feb 14, well prior to the board public release-- although the PSDMs weren't published until July sometime.. weeks after results. Nothing but crickets this year. Maybe we won't see an offer 'cause they realized they cut too deep last year and want to retain the cheap labor of continued guys vice letting them move on with life under TERA. Just frustrating for those of us wanting to plan ahead a little bit which requires knowing what options will even be on the table prior to the decision point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAF Pilot Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I think I heard the board results will be out on 9 June Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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