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4 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

It’s cause AFSOC/acc/Air Force doesn’t really want it. 

AFSOC blows their load on gunships. 

ACC is fighter mafia. 

And the Air Force is incompetent. 

 

Look at the history and and origin of the U-28. It wasn’t any Air Force types pushing that rope. And look how AFSOC/Air Force treat that platform. There’s your answer for light attack. 

Itll continue to be the red-headed step child 

I wish I could refute that...

Why the hell can't a COCOM be a pseudo Force Provider?  

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11 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

That is the real solution. Tribalism hinders effectiveness and “innovation”

For a second I thought you were talking about Afghanistan. Nope, just the US military, nothing to see here. 

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7 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

It’s cause AFSOC/acc/Air Force doesn’t really want it. 

AFSOC blows their load on gunships. 

ACC is fighter mafia. 

And the Air Force is incompetent. 

 

Look at the history and and origin of the U-28. It wasn’t any Air Force types pushing that rope. And look how AFSOC/Air Force treat that platform. There’s your answer for light attack. 

Itll continue to be the red-headed step child 

Without going into the exact reasons why; SOCOM needs this capability and AFSOC wants this capability.

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2 hours ago, Tank said:

Without going into the exact reasons why; SOCOM needs this capability and AFSOC wants this capability.

AFSOC is rife with tribalism and hidden agendas.  Bashi is right- the AC mafia has crushed light attack inside AFSOC.  They hate small airplanes and they hate competition for collecting scalps.

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LAA is all about partnering with underdeveloped nations in the “real” long war... The majority of the world can’t afford our F-16s, even when we give them away. LAA fills that gap and makes us more friends faster. All the other talk is second-order stuff.

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1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

Tank I disagree. The gunship guys running afsoc do not like or want light attack. Ac-130J with lasers is the savior. 

The AC mafia may not like or want Light Attack but the GO’s running AFSOC do.

AFSOC Light Attack mission set 1 is for Combat Aviation Advisor training, 2 is for AFSOC CAS, 3 is for AFSOC Advanced Advisors.  

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42 minutes ago, Tank said:

The AC mafia may not like or want Light Attack but the GO’s running AFSOC do.

AFSOC Light Attack mission set 1 is for Combat Aviation Advisor training, 2 is for AFSOC CAS, 3 is for AFSOC Advanced Advisors.  

This is for the most part a true statement but it comes with a caveat.  AFSOC & SOCOM leadership have been very clear that while SOF wants this capability they will not get ahead of Big Blue.  SOCOM wants the AF to pay for the basic iron on the ramp and they will pay for the SOF peculiar equipment on the aircraft.  SOCOM will not pay for the program in its entirety so if the AF doesn’t buy the iron AFSOC isn’t getting anything.

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4 minutes ago, DirkDiggler said:

This is for the most part a true statement but it comes with a caveat.  AFSOC & SOCOM leadership have been very clear that while SOF wants this capability they will not get ahead of Big Blue.  SOCOM wants the AF to pay for the basic iron on the ramp and they will pay for the SOF peculiar equipment on the aircraft.  SOCOM will not pay for the program in its entirety so if the AF doesn’t buy the iron AFSOC isn’t getting anything.

Also true...

There’s a capability gap that LA can fill in AFSOC. SOCOM & AFSOC leadership both know it.  

Hopefully Big Blue doesn’t f**k it up! 

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Knowing a deficiency exists does not equal wanting to fix it. 

Big blue has already fucked it up. We should have had this a decade ago. 

 

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10 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

Knowing a deficiency exists does not equal wanting to fix it. 

Big blue has already fucked it up. We should have had this a decade ago. 

 

SOCOM wants to fix it, just not pay for it...

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SOCOM wants to fix it, just not pay for it...


Well you guys kinda own that left over taste for F’ing away what was going to be a 99% SOCOM asset with Spartan.

The Army Sherpa/intra theatre transport replacement was going to spend most of its life moving stuff and people for SOCOM. Nobody has forgotten that bad deal on the green side.


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5 hours ago, Tank said:

AFSOC Light Attack mission set 1 is for Combat Aviation Advisor training, 2 is for AFSOC CAS, 3 is for AFSOC Advanced Advisors.  

What’s the difference between CAA and Advanced Advisors?

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So we will buy 20, they will go to a single unit or something like the 6th SOS, they will fly them for 6.9 years, and much like the C-27/RC-26/MC-12 they will be transferred to OGA or boarder/coastal state ANG. They will fly them for 6-9 years until that unit gets MQ-9s, the LA will be mothballed and the AF can say they tried the LA experiment but it just wasn’t (fill in buzz word statement here). Another great opertunity pissed away. 

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Guessing the AF will say something like "20 isn't worth the investment, and besides the F-35 will be able to do it cheaper and more effectively...or so the brochure says."

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4 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Big blue has already fucked it up. We should have had this a decade ago.

Or two or three decades....

1200px-Piper_PA48_Enforcer_USAF.jpg

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3 hours ago, Klepto said:

What’s the difference between CAA and Advanced Advisors?

The authorities granted to the pilots in regards to flying in combat with the PN personnel and the amount of training they both receive.

CAAs receive more specialized training and can be granted the authority to fly combat sorties in the PN aircraft with their PN counterpart.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tank said:

The authorities granted to the pilots in regards to flying in combat with the PN personnel and the amount of training they both receive.

CAAs receive more specialized training and can be granted the authority to fly combat sorties in the PN aircraft with their PN counterpart.

Tracking CAAs. I’ve just never heard of Advanced Advisors in AFSOC. I’m familiar with Air Advisors on the conventional side. Can you say what units employ Advanced Advisors?

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3 minutes ago, Klepto said:

Tracking CAAs. I’ve just never heard of Advanced Advisors in AFSOC. I’m familiar with Air Advisors on the conventional side. Can you say what units employ Advanced Advisors?

Currently no Advanced Advisors in AFSOC.  AETC has the 81FS.  

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9 hours ago, Hacker said:

Or two or three decades....

1200px-Piper_PA48_Enforcer_USAF.jpg

Why? Because that's hot.  How many prop strikes you think the FTU would log in a year?

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2 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Why? Because that's hot.  How many prop strikes you think the FTU would log in a year?

None.

The first phase of training would be 15 dual and 20 solo hours in a Husky.

btw: the FTU is equipped with a fleet of Huskies...and the line for IPs is around the block.

 

 

 

...let me have my dreams dammit

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