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Hello looking for a little help in the joint spouse area. My girlfriend and I want to get married  we have been doing the distance thing for a while and we both know it's time. I just got base of preference  orders and moved to my new base about 3 weeks ago. She is Intel and can only go to very few stateside bases I am supply and have a lot more options. I'm just worried the fact that I just pcsed would cause a problem. Does anyone know if it is still possible or anyway to improve our situation?

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I'm heading to UPT in a month, and the fiancée and I just got JOP married so she can join me on the PCS to Columbus before our December wedding. She's a paralegal in the Texas ANG with a bachelor's degree, waiting for an OTS board to commission into active duty. I hope to get an AMC slot after UPT, and C-17s are the top of my dreamsheet.

She isn't set on any one AFSC, and we want to maximize our chances of getting stationed together as often as possible. What officer careers are most compatible with rated spouses' assignments?

She's considering contracting, maybe LRO. She's more oriented toward political science than engineering, so she isn't interested in MX, engineering, etc. Personnel sounds like the safest bet, but... you know. Hopefully we can find something with a little more job satisfaction.

In your experiences, which AFSC "mil-to-pilot" couples have had the least trouble getting stationed together? Which AFSCs need to be avoided?

Thanks.

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As you alluded in your post, there are lots of options out there to be a UPT spouse and member of the ARC.  We'll need some pics of your fiancé to help you narrow it down some more.  

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The wife and I are both active duty, not stationed together.  We met, PCSd to different bases, then got married.  She is separating from AD soon in order to live with me full time.  She has been talking to the in service recruiter to become a traditional reservist at March ARB.  Her recruiter mentioned the possibility of getting a join spouse assignment for me.  I'm a KC-135 pilot (McConnell) and March is an active-associate unit.  Is the recruiter full of it, or is join spouse to follow my soon to be reservist wife in the realm of possibilities?  Either way, this next PCS (wherever it is) will be my last on active duty, so I'm not too concerned on where to go from March.  FWIW, apparently their reserve -135 manning has seen better days; not sure if that would make any difference.  Overall it seems too good to be true...

 

Thanks in advance!

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23 hours ago, HuskyPilot said:

The wife and I are both active duty, not stationed together.  We met, PCSd to different bases, then got married.  She is separating from AD soon in order to live with me full time.  She has been talking to the in service recruiter to become a traditional reservist at March ARB.  Her recruiter mentioned the possibility of getting a join spouse assignment for me.  I'm a KC-135 pilot (McConnell) and March is an active-associate unit.  Is the recruiter full of it, or is join spouse to follow my soon to be reservist wife in the realm of possibilities?  Either way, this next PCS (wherever it is) will be my last on active duty, so I'm not too concerned on where to go from March.  FWIW, apparently their reserve -135 manning has seen better days; not sure if that would make any difference.  Overall it seems too good to be true...

 

Thanks in advance!

Yes, the recruiter is full of it.  AOs are under no AFI/policy guidance to get AD members stationed at guard/reserve bases to be with a part-time reservist.  That isn't to say it couldn't happen since the March assignment is always a possibility, just know that the AO doesn't have to answer for not doing it.   AOs only have to station AF AD members married to AF AD members (or get AFPC CC approval to not do it).  Yes, I am a join spouse...

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Yes, the recruiter is full of it.  AOs are under no AFI/policy guidance to get AD members stationed at guard/reserve bases to be with a part-time reservist.  That isn't to say it couldn't happen since the March assignment is always a possibility, just know that the AO doesn't have to answer for not doing it.   AOs only have to station AF AD members married to AF AD members (or get AFPC CC approval to not do it).  Yes, I am a join spouse...


All true, just want to add that a good functional and supportive leadership can go a long way to helping out that situation. But Helo is correct, they're not obligated to help you out.


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On 1/23/2017 at 11:35 AM, MitchS said:

In your experiences, which AFSC "mil-to-pilot" couples have had the least trouble getting stationed together? Which AFSCs need to be avoided?

The wifey and I have made Intel/Pilot work for 4yrs so far.  Every base that has non-AETC aircraft will probably have intel support, so there's your first assignment together.  

My platform has several options outside the ops unit to PCA around base:  the initial training (IQC/FTU), instructor course (FIC), test squadron (TES), and weapons instructor course (WIC).  Even if your ops unit's base doesn't have all those things, any base that has aircraft will have plenty of jobs available outside of the ops squadron:  wing scheduling, various exec gigs, etc.  I know some folks that have PCA'd around base for 8-12yrs, some without join spouse.  You're doing different-enough jobs that it still shows progression, even if you never PCS.  

The Intel gig is different.  The ADSC is shorter, and mastering the core competency of ops support relatively simple to master, that intel leadership wants their young CGOs to branch out quickly and gain experience in a variety of intel functions (DGS, ISR, AOC, etc.).  My wife was able to work an ops-ops PCA because both units were on base and it was with different aircraft (and vastly different missions; tac airlift vs. CAF), but I hear that's generally a hard sell if it doesn't show any progression (such as doing ops support for one tac airlift squadron, then doing ops support for another tac airlift squadron).  

A short term separation will be SUPT and the Intel FTU at Goodfellow.  Laughlin is pretty close to Goodfellow, so weekend visits will be easy.

All this probably holds true for PA, LRS, etc...

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I am in AFROTC and have been awarded a Pilot Slot. I am married to an Enlisted SF AFSC. I am trying to find out what is the possibility of having her being able to be stationed with me at UPT. The training meets the length requirements and she is eligible to PCS.

ROTC cadets don't have access to the AF Portal to select marital assignment preference.  I am considered IRR, so do we have to wait until I am AD to apply for Join Spouse? AFI36-2110 attachment 8 mentions a letter application which seems like the most likely route.

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18 hours ago, Flying EE said:

I am in AFROTC and have been awarded a Pilot Slot. I am married to an Enlisted SF AFSC. I am trying to find out what is the possibility of having her being able to be stationed with me at UPT. The training meets the length requirements and she is eligible to PCS.

ROTC cadets don't have access to the AF Portal to select marital assignment preference.  I am considered IRR, so do we have to wait until I am AD to apply for Join Spouse? AFI36-2110 attachment 8 mentions a letter application which seems like the most likely route.

All good questions to ask your ROTC cadre.  Not trying to be a jerk, but seriously, this is exactly what they are there to do.

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1 hour ago, HeloDude said:

All good questions to ask your ROTC cadre.  Not trying to be a jerk, but seriously, this is exactly what they are there to do.

That is always my first stop after I check the regs. They typically have no clue and say "we will look into it" then never do, and they ask cadets on how ROTC is run instead of looking it up themselves. I am reaching out now because I haven't been able to find anything and see if anyone has some advice.

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That is always my first stop after I check the regs. They typically have no clue and say "we will look into it" then never do, and they ask cadets on how ROTC is run instead of looking it up themselves. I am reaching out now because I haven't been able to find anything and see if anyone has some advice.

Back in the day in ROTC I think there was some sort of "desire joint spouse" option you could mark when you put in for your UPT bases. No guarantees on the timeline, but for us we got pilot slots February junior year, put in for bases in the fall, and got our base December senior year. That was 6 years ago so take it with a grain of salt. Good luck man.


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On ‎3‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 11:50 AM, Flying EE said:

I am in AFROTC and have been awarded a Pilot Slot. I am married to an Enlisted SF AFSC. I am trying to find out what is the possibility of having her being able to be stationed with me at UPT. The training meets the length requirements and she is eligible to PCS.

ROTC cadets don't have access to the AF Portal to select marital assignment preference.  I am considered IRR, so do we have to wait until I am AD to apply for Join Spouse? AFI36-2110 attachment 8 mentions a letter application which seems like the most likely route.

Didn't go to UPT or marry an E.

However, something to consider:  If you got to UPT base X, and spouse gets an assignment there, you are there for a year-ish.  She, on the other hand, drew the PCS commitment and sentence - two years if she takes an overseas gig afterwards, or at least three if it's CONUS.  Possibly longer.

So, in the long view, is her being there while you go through UPT AND she is doing her job with, I assume, it's own long hours and pressure at the same base, A) how fun would that be for both of you and B) what happens when you are winged and off to Base Y for B-course/MQT, etc?  She's still stuck at UPT base X for a lot longer time.

 

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Didn't go to UPT or marry an E.
However, something to consider:  If you got to UPT base X, and spouse gets an assignment there, you are there for a year-ish.  She, on the other hand, drew the PCS commitment and sentence - two years if she takes an overseas gig afterwards, or at least three if it's CONUS.  Possibly longer.
So, in the long view, is her being there while you go through UPT AND she is doing her job with, I assume, it's own long hours and pressure at the same base, A) how fun would that be for both of you and B) what happens when you are winged and off to Base Y for B-course/MQT, etc?  She's still stuck at UPT base X for a lot longer time.
 

If he goes to Vance, then drops 135s, 17s, 46s, or E-3s they'd at least be in the same area until her commitment is almost up.


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On 2/10/2017 at 7:25 PM, AwShoot1209 said:

The wifey and I have made Intel/Pilot work for 4yrs so far.  Every base that has non-AETC aircraft will probably have intel support, so there's your first assignment together.  

My platform has several options outside the ops unit to PCA around base:  the initial training (IQC/FTU), instructor course (FIC), test squadron (TES), and weapons instructor course (WIC).  Even if your ops unit's base doesn't have all those things, any base that has aircraft will have plenty of jobs available outside of the ops squadron:  wing scheduling, various exec gigs, etc.  I know some folks that have PCA'd around base for 8-12yrs, some without join spouse.  You're doing different-enough jobs that it still shows progression, even if you never PCS.  

The Intel gig is different.  The ADSC is shorter, and mastering the core competency of ops support relatively simple to master, that intel leadership wants their young CGOs to branch out quickly and gain experience in a variety of intel functions (DGS, ISR, AOC, etc.).  My wife was able to work an ops-ops PCA because both units were on base and it was with different aircraft (and vastly different missions; tac airlift vs. CAF), but I hear that's generally a hard sell if it doesn't show any progression (such as doing ops support for one tac airlift squadron, then doing ops support for another tac airlift squadron).  

A short term separation will be SUPT and the Intel FTU at Goodfellow.  Laughlin is pretty close to Goodfellow, so weekend visits will be easy.

All this probably holds true for PA, LRS, etc...

Some AETC bases have intel as well, just depends on the MWS. Knew a pilot/intel couple who worked a join spouse to Altus. Obivouly the UPT bases don't have any but I'm trying to think of a schoolhouse besides Altus that isn't colocated with operational units.

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