"chemtrails" ...WTF

[Guest HercengTN]

This was on the front page of our wonderful Nashville newspaper today.I cant' believe these yahoos actually think the government is spraying chemicals from aircraft for experiments. I thought some of you might find it interesting as well as humorous.

Wednesday, 11/29/06

Jet trails just water vapor, not sprayed chemicals, experts say

By ANNE PAINE

Staff Writer

Blue skies have been turning white this month as airplane traffic crisscrosses the sky.

The trails that jets leave behind grow, creating thin, cirrus-style clouds that aviation officials say result from water vapor from engine exhausts and in the air turning to ice crystals.

At least two Nashvillians aren't convinced. They subscribe to a concept that chemicals are being sprayed from planes.

"Why are there times that you don't see them at all?" said Scott Webb. "That's regardless of weather."

Lynn Lowrance, spokeswoman for the Metro Nashville Airport Authority, said it is, in fact, a matter of the weather.

The jet trails — called contrails — can disappear quickly, she said.

When the air is moist and it's colder, the trails can spread in a chain reaction as water vapor turns into ice particles. Feathery clouds result.

"They don't pose any health risk," Lowrance said.

Scott and Guy Avery, a local running coach, disagree, pointing to articles and talk on the Internet alleging that the government is spraying chemicals from planes, perhaps for experimentation.

"Chemtrails," as they're called on Web sites, have been a topic for several years, with unmarked military planes often accused of releasing them.

Representatives of Fort Campbell, which only has helicopters, the Tennessee Air National Guard, which has 10 marked propeller planes here, and a U.S. Air Force spokesman in Washington, D.C., said this week they do no such releases.

A NASA researcher said contrails are a cause for concern, but it's not related to chemicals.

A study has shown that the thin, cirrus clouds that plane exhausts can trigger are trapping heat next to the earth, said Pat Minnis, a NASA senior research scientist in Hampton, Va., and a Vanderbilt University graduate.

As air traffic increases, cirrus cloud coverage over the U.S. is rising by 1 percent a decade, Minnis said.

"A single plane can produce a rather large cloud," he said.

After 9/11, when all but a few planes were grounded, scientists had a chance to see that one lone military plane's contrail extended over Ohio and Pennsylvania, he said.

The icy cloud eventually covered about 6,170 square miles.

While NASA papers indicate that the impact on temperature of plane-produced clouds is significant, not everyone agrees, Minnis said.

"Whether or not it's a global climate problem, we'll see," he said.

More research is going on to try to determine that. •

[HerkDerka]

Originally posted by HercengTN:

This was on the front page of our wonderful Nashville newspaper today....

....Scott and Guy Avery pointing to articles and talk on the Internet alleging that the government is spraying chemicals from planes, perhaps for experimentation.

"Tarnation! There's them a sprayin' planes again. Hyuh hyuh."

HD

[Spinner]

Originally posted by HercengTN:

Scott and Guy Avery, a local running coach, disagree, pointing to articles and talk on the Internet alleging that the government is spraying chemicals from planes, perhaps for experimentation.

And we all know that everything posted on the Internet is true. Nice pic HD... :D

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[Techsan]

http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/?

There is a whole group of these crazies out there.

This was my favorite of their website:

http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails...nFlight559.html

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[herkbum]

This kind of article is why I cancelled my subscription 2 yrs ago. I read that this morning, while on the plane, and started laughing my ass off! I asked the rest of the crew if they had their orders from the President- since we were covering a 4 state area on the way to Dyess, it was a prime opportunity to spread mind-warping chemicals. These people are idiots!

[Guest stusakss]

Now, I was on base at Grand Forks when a C-130 was doing low levels and spraying mosquito killer at about 100AGL, that was bad ass to watch them have to dodge the base water tower.

Not quite the same thing though!

[HerkDerka]

Originally posted by C130DrivingMustang:

when a C-130 was doing low levels and spraying mosquito killer at about 100AGL

Wusses...why wouldn't they get down into the real shit? :D

HD

[Guest msmith16]

"Why are there times that you don't see them at all?" said Scott Webb. "That's regardless of weather."

Somebody did their research.

[Guest Xtndr50boom]

Never underestimate the stupidity of losers who've got broadband, a case of mountain dew or red bull, and a star trek marathon 6 hours from starting

[Guest Deuce]

They need to take off their tin foil hats....

[Guest Wxpunk]

NOTICE TO ALL METEOROLOGISTS:

Due to the public's recent discovery of government aircraft chemical emissions we are now required to replace the remark CONTRAILS in column 13 to read CHEMTRAILS. Given their detrimental effect on the public's health, the remark has top priority over all other remarks to include Tornadoes and Volcanic Eruptions.

Them smart whipper-snappers in Nashville and Houston done figured us out.

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WXpunk

[Guest copenhagen]

Ok... Let's start a new theory... Fog. Yeah, that's the ticket. So when fog forms - that must be all these chemicals coming back up from after they were sprayed. You see, sometimes we see fog, regardless of other weather.

Thanks for the laugh.

Someone should get the name and address of the editor (read a$$clown) that published that piece of prize winning journalism.

[Guest Jollygreen]

This thread needs to be locked and deleted by the admins for OPSEC reasons.

All of your IPs have been logged.

Our black helicopters will be visiting you soon.

[HerkDerka]

That'll be enough of that Jolly. Mindless conspiracy theories are the last thing I want to read about after getting back from a long local proficiency sortie.

HD

[cragspider]

Well here is some more info on the supposed "Chemtrails" that was in the Abilene Reporter newpaper today. I am sad to say that this guy even lives in the same area and they out this crap in the local paper. Oh well I guess that it was a slow news day yesterday to let them put this in. On with the article.

Abilene man wants to warn you about the dangers of 'chemtrails'

Darrin McBreen wants people to look up in the sky -- and contemplate what might be happening up there that might be affecting us down here.

McBreen, 41, has created a popular YouTube video, featuring footage shot in Abilene, examining "chemtrails," a term derived from the belief of some researchers that certain jet plane contrails dump chemicals on an unsuspecting populace below.

The reasons given for such alleged activity vary.

Some advocates link it to weather control experimentation, while other researchers tie in more dire effects, ranging from ill health to (at the extreme end) a program of mind control, echoing other historical examples of overt experimentation on mass human populations.

McBreen, who is an Abilene Reporter-News Internet media consultant, said the response to his roughly nine-minute video was both surprising and pleasing.

"The response has been incredible," he said. "About 30,000 people have seen it in a week's time. ... I've received responses from all over the world."

Feedback has ranged from confirmation and personal anecdote to overt snark -- along the lines of "Are you wearing your tinfoil helmet?" he joked.

But his video, "Danger In the Sky -- The Chemtrail Phenomenon," has maintained a five-star rating on YouTube and garnered more than 600 comments, features interviews with figures such as Austin-based radio personality Alex Jones, speaking over footage of planes flying among familiar Abilene landmarks.

A contrail, short for condensation trail, is a line-shaped cloud sometimes produced by aircraft engine exhaust, according to a U.S. Air Force online document "Contrails Facts." The combination of high humidity and low temperatures that often exist at aircraft cruise altitudes allows for their formation.

Such contrails are composed primarily of water, in the form of ice crystals, and "do not pose health risks to humans," according to the Air Force site.

But advocates of chemtrail and other related theories argue that isn't always the case, although their reasons differ -- often wildly.

McBreen said chemtrails appealed to him as a video subject because he believes the concept has credibility.

"It started out with an article by Devvy Kidd," he said. Kidd, a journalist who lives in Big Spring, is sometimes featured on the Web site of Jeff Rense, a radio talk-show host who often deals with controversial topics such as chemtrails.

"I thought that was kind of interesting that (Kidd) was from the Big Country," he said.

According to Rense's Web site, chemtrails "look like contrails initially but are much thicker, extend across the sky and are often laid down in varying patterns of Xs, tic-tac-toe grids, cross-hatched and parallel lines."

Such trails, according to a Frequently Asked Questions file on Rense's site, "expand and drop feathers and mares' tails. In 30 minutes or less, they open into wispy formations which join together, forming a thick white veil or a 'fake cirrus-type cloud' that persists for hours."

A normal contrail "is supposed to dissipate over 30 seconds to three minutes," McBreen said.

Many researchers also report a sort of cross-hatching effect of interspersed contrails, which some take to be sky-based markers, and unusual behavior of the planes themselves, circling and looping to cover and recover an area in ways they find to be anomalous.

Like many, McBreen believes some chemtrail sightings can be tied to weather experimentation, with side effects such as spikes in elements such as "aluminum and barium in drinking water supplies and in the air," he said.

Some who have communicated with him because of the video have agreed, even going so far as to say they can "taste the aluminum" in their mouths from chemtrails in their area, he said.

"Some of the more hard-core researchers wonder if it isn't a type of population control, with the intent to wear down your immune system," he said. "When I first heard that, I found that to be pretty extreme. But the United States has a long history of chemical and biological testing on its own personnel."

McBreen mentioned a 1994 "Rockefeller Report," often quoted on conspiracy and chemtrail Web sites, detailing alleged experiments performed on U.S. soldiers. The report, "Is Military Research Hazardous to Veterans' Health? Lessons Spanning Half a Century," indicates it was prepared for the U.S. Senate's Committee on Veterans' Affairs in December 1994.

Among the report's conclusions are that "for at least 50 years, (the Department of Defense) has intentionally exposed military personnel to potentially dangerous substances, often in secret."

That said, the U.S. Air Force's Web site describes the entire chemtrail theory as a hoax, which it claims has been investigated and refuted by established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, etc.

Specifically, the Air Force notes that a contrail can remain visible for long periods of time with its lifetime a function of temperature, humidity, winds and aircraft exhaust characteristics -- and that such contrails can form many shapes as they are dispersed by horizontal and vertical wind shear. Similarly, skeptics assert the changeover from turbojet to turbofan engines results in a different appearance than what some chemtrail theorists remember contrails used to look like.

Requests for a comment from Dyess Air Force Base on Tuesday were met with referrals to the Air Force's official position on the phenomenon.

McBreen said that while chemtrail research is thriving on the Internet, it is important for people to understand that the evidence is "not limited to photos and videos posted on the Web."

There are military reports, government studies, U.S. patents and U.S. legislation that back up claims by researchers," he said. "The Space Preservation Act of 2001 mentions chemtrails by name, for example."

In the Act, which seeks to "preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States," chemtrails are described, along with lasers, plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, ultrasonic weapons, and others as "exotic weapons systems."

Mainstream media reports are included in McBreen's video, most notably television news reports from KSLA News in Louisiana (which McBreen said "confirms barium in Chemtrails") and a "report from NBC News 4 in Los Angeles where residents reported getting ill from chemtrail activity," he said.

McBreen said he would simply like to see more open debate on the topic.

"Not every contrail you see that stays up there might be a chemtrail," he said. "But we do know that there are weather modification programs. We do know that they are cloud seeding. And we do know that they have experimented on their own people in the past."

It isn't the end of McBreen's video-making. Next, he plans to tackle the topic of depleted uranium, used in munitions and considered controversial because of what some believe could be potential long-term health effects.

[Herk Driver]

Abilene man wants to warn you about the dangers of 'chemtrails'

Darrin McBreen wants people to look up in the sky -- and contemplate what might be happening up there that might be affecting us down here.

they can "taste the aluminum" in their mouths from chemtrails in their area, he said.

Maybe that's not the aluminum they taste.

[Guest Stang16]

said video

[Herk Driver]

said video

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[FlyinGrunt]

was this the Banner or the Tennessean that published the original article? Maybe the City Paper or whatever it's called?

hell, does the Banner even exist anymore?

[drewpey]

Remember, only YOU can propagate conspiracies!

Always request higher FL and do 360's or S turns for "timing" over some of the nutjob towns.

[Guest ASUcadet]

Show me a plane with more 'chem trails' than engines and I might stop laughing.

Anyway, I remember this one time at a car-wash fundraiser, this guy pulled up and told us that the world's oxygen supply was being quickly diminished and that the O2 levels had dropped dramatically in the last xx years. Then he said there was this huge government cover-up that extended to our universities, high schools, etc and he somehow related it to chem trails

[Techsan]

I don't know, but after watching that guy's video I think I'm a believer.

[trailmix]

Hahahah.. "Contrails have only occured since 1996"

Or since people started flying, what a coincidence! Retards. These are the same idiots who think 911 was a conspiracy and it makes me want to scream!

"When i was a kid they dissapated in minutes!"

"They loop and criss-cross, commercial jets go in straight lines, so it makes no sense"

"The spider-webery that comes down from the aerosol spraying"

Well, if its on the internet, it must be true...

[herkbum]

was this the Banner or the Tennessean that published the original article? Maybe the City Paper or whatever it's called?

hell, does the Banner even exist anymore?

No, The Banner been gone for 15 or so years. The Tennessean published the original article.

[FlyinGrunt]

15 years? it's been that long? wow. I must be getting old.