Napoleon_Tanerite Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) When I went to PIT for my move to T-1s it was initially written as an out-and-back TDY, and therefore built in DTS, to include incremental accrual vouchers. My PCS orders were subsequently amended to make PIT a TDY enroute to my gaining location. When I got to Columbus I was advised by the local finance circus that I should zero out the DTS voucher and do EVERYTHING for the TDY and PCS on one voucher via PIPS, so I did. Well, despite me clearly listing my DTS-paid accruals under "previous payments and advances" those idiots STILL paid me the full voucher amount to the tune of just short of $10,000 over what I should have been paid. This was back in February. I repeatedly went to them and told them about the error, but since the DTS voucher had been deleted they swore up and down that I was paid the correct amount. I would have thought it would be much easier to give away $10,000! Well, fast forward SIX FRIGGIN MONTHS and they finally "fixed the glitch". Without notifying me or giving me any options, they turned off my pay. I'm talking $0.00 paycheck from now until Sept to cover the debt. Now, I am not an idiot, I still have the money but it astonishes me just how incompetent these people can be at their job, and suddenly it becomes MY problem when they fuck it up royally. If I did my job like they do their job I would have been dead a long time ago. Edited August 6, 2013 by Napoleon_Tanerite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 cool...free cash advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 When I went to PIT for my move to T-1s it was initially written as an out-and-back TDY, and therefore built in DTS, to include incremental accrual vouchers. My PCS orders were subsequently amended to make PIT a TDY enroute to my gaining location. When I got to Columbus I was advised by the local finance circus that I should zero out the DTS voucher and do EVERYTHING for the TDY and PCS on one voucher via PIPS, so I did. Well, despite me clearly listing my DTS-paid accruals under "previous payments and advances" those idiots STILL paid me the full voucher amount to the tune of just short of $10,000 over what I should have been paid. This was back in February. I repeatedly went to them and told them about the error, but since the DTS voucher had been deleted they swore up and down that I was paid the correct amount. I would have thought it would be much easier to give away $10,000! Well, fast forward SIX FRIGGIN MONTHS and they finally "fixed the glitch". Without notifying me or giving me any options, they turned off my pay. I'm talking $0.00 paycheck from now until Sept to cover the debt. Now, I am not an idiot, I still have the money but it astonishes me just how incompetent these people can be at their job, and suddenly it becomes MY problem when they fuck it up royally. If I did my job like they do their job I would have been dead a long time ago. I get that you have to pay back money when they overpay you...but some notice would be nice before they suddenly start deducting money from your paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 When I went to PIT for my move to T-1s it was initially written as an out-and-back TDY, and therefore built in DTS, to include incremental accrual vouchers. My PCS orders were subsequently amended to make PIT a TDY enroute to my gaining location. When I got to Columbus I was advised by the local finance circus that I should zero out the DTS voucher and do EVERYTHING for the TDY and PCS on one voucher via PIPS, so I did. Well, despite me clearly listing my DTS-paid accruals under "previous payments and advances" those idiots STILL paid me the full voucher amount to the tune of just short of $10,000 over what I should have been paid. This was back in February. I repeatedly went to them and told them about the error, but since the DTS voucher had been deleted they swore up and down that I was paid the correct amount. I would have thought it would be much easier to give away $10,000! Well, fast forward SIX FRIGGIN MONTHS and they finally "fixed the glitch". Without notifying me or giving me any options, they turned off my pay. I'm talking $0.00 paycheck from now until Sept to cover the debt. Now, I am not an idiot, I still have the money but it astonishes me just how incompetent these people can be at their job, and suddenly it becomes MY problem when they fuck it up royally. If I did my job like they do their job I would have been dead a long time ago. Yep been there, done that, the funny thing is they couldn't comprehend why I wanted to cut them a check instead of having it deducted out of my paycheck. Like I really trust you idiots to reinstate my pay on time when the debt is paid after you fucked this up from the start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emery Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I searched and couldn't find anything concrete. Do to reduced budgets, sequestration, etc our squadron is now mandating that students double up in lodging while on X/C's to the max extent possible. Is it legal to force them to do this or not? This is AETC JSUPT environment by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I searched and couldn't find anything concrete. Do to reduced budgets, sequestration, etc our squadron is now mandating that students double up in lodging while on X/C's to the max extent possible. Is it legal to force them to do this or not? This is AETC JSUPT environment by the way. Totally legal. The JFTR does not restrict shared lodging for officers (it does specifically address reimbursements for this), this is traditionally a lodging policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFRESH Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I searched and couldn't find anything concrete. Do to reduced budgets, sequestration, etc our squadron is now mandating that students double up in lodging while on X/C's to the max extent possible. Is it legal to force them to do this or not? This is AETC JSUPT environment by the way. Nothing new here... be happy you still get a x/c, they nearly took ours away, and when we did get to go, we had a pretty weak radius to stay within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I searched and couldn't find anything concrete. Do to reduced budgets, sequestration, etc our squadron is now mandating that students double up in lodging while on X/C's to the max extent possible. Is it legal to force them to do this or not? This is AETC JSUPT environment by the way. What's wrong with doubling up on lodging? Eventually, you'll be in a tent/cadillac/B-hut with all your bros and you'll have to figure out how to sleep despite everyone snoring, getting up, Facetiming/Skyping back home, or secretly trying to rub one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblin Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 secretly? oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 secretly? oops Just don't hit anybody with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) I searched and couldn't find anything concrete. Do to reduced budgets, sequestration, etc our squadron is now mandating that students double up in lodging while on X/C's to the max extent possible. Is it legal to force them to do this or not? This is AETC JSUPT environment by the way. Students sharing lodging on cross countries was the standard when I went through UPT in 2007-2008. Be glad that there is still TDY at all and that they aren't issuing you MREs instead of paying you per diem. You sometimes share rooms on real world TDYs, so I don't see what the big deal is. Also, if students are whining about this, they need to have their attitudes recalibrated. Edited August 10, 2013 by guineapigfury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Seat Driver Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 When I went to PIT for my move to T-1s it was initially written as an out-and-back TDY, and therefore built in DTS, to include incremental accrual vouchers. My PCS orders were subsequently amended to make PIT a TDY enroute to my gaining location. When I got to Columbus I was advised by the local finance circus that I should zero out the DTS voucher and do EVERYTHING for the TDY and PCS on one voucher via PIPS, so I did. Well, despite me clearly listing my DTS-paid accruals under "previous payments and advances" those idiots STILL paid me the full voucher amount to the tune of just short of $10,000 over what I should have been paid. This was back in February. I repeatedly went to them and told them about the error, but since the DTS voucher had been deleted they swore up and down that I was paid the correct amount. I would have thought it would be much easier to give away $10,000! Well, fast forward SIX FRIGGIN MONTHS and they finally "fixed the glitch". Without notifying me or giving me any options, they turned off my pay. I'm talking $0.00 paycheck from now until Sept to cover the debt. Now, I am not an idiot, I still have the money but it astonishes me just how incompetent these people can be at their job, and suddenly it becomes MY problem when they fuck it up royally. If I did my job like they do their job I would have been dead a long time ago. When I filed my IFS voucher in 2007 finance paid me $4.5K which wasn't what was even on my voucher. I went to CBM finance and told them it was way too much and they told me the amount was legit. Half-way through UPT I get a paycheck for $0.00 until my debt was repaid. Luckily, I kept the money in savings. I spoke to the finance experts and they stated they tried to contact me. Never got an e-mail, never got any official correspondence. I don't want to even start on how the process was to PCS out of there in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 When I filed my IFS voucher in 2007 finance paid me $4.5K which wasn't what was even on my voucher. I went to CBM finance and told them it was way too much and they told me the amount was legit. Half-way through UPT I get a paycheck for $0.00 until my debt was repaid. Luckily, I kept the money in savings. I spoke to the finance experts and they stated they tried to contact me. Never got an e-mail, never got any official correspondence. I don't want to even start on how the process was to PCS out of there in 2009. Let me guess, they sent an email to your old email address after you PCSed. I've had that one happen. The talent level in most Finance shops is too low to handle the level of power they have. No money should ever be deducted from a servicemember's paycheck without the member's consent or Squadron Commander's approval. Your Squadron CC, not the Finance CC. Zero dollar fix that could be implemented tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magellan Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Let me guess, they sent an email to your old email address after you PCSed. I've had that one happen. The talent level in most Finance shops is too low to handle the level of power they have. No money should ever be deducted from a servicemember's paycheck without the member's consent or Squadron Commander's approval. Your Squadron CC, not the Finance CC. Zero dollar fix that could be implemented tomorrow. Because SQ/CC's don't have enough to do already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Because SQ/CC's don't have enough to do already? Because a troop's $$ reduced due to finance's buffoonery is 100% a Sq/CC's issue. I'd fire any SQ/CC that DIDN'T intervene. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Because a troop's $$ reduced due to finance's buffoonery is 100% a Sq/CC's issue. I'd fire any SQ/CC that DIDN'T intervene. Not getting involved or not knowing only lead to many more problems while trying to unscrew the system. Less work to get involved up front than to let it fester or just not know and get blindsided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Because SQ/CC's don't have enough to do already? Falls under that pesky "take care of your people" heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I searched and couldn't find anything concrete. Do to reduced budgets, sequestration, etc our squadron is now mandating that students double up in lodging while on X/C's to the max extent possible. Is it legal to force them to do this or not? This is AETC JSUPT environment by the way. The lodging reg AFI 34-246 says: Table 1.1. Minimum Space and Privacy Standards (for existing inventory only) All Commissioned and Warrant Officers; All Civilians - 250 square feet (net) living area: private room, private bath (Note 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellsworb Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 The lodging reg AFI 34-246 says: Table 1.1. Minimum Space and Privacy Standards (for existing inventory only) All Commissioned and Warrant Officers; All Civilians - 250 square feet (net) living area: private room, private bath (Note 2) Which is only a requirement for what DOD Lodging facilities must PROVIDE. Does not apply to what a CC can order for his TDY personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Freshwater Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Thread bump: Anyone know if finance is currently paying apartment rent if you submit a lost receipt form? I had a voucher get rejected because I didn't submit receipts for my rent. I submitted my lease and a ledger from the apartment front office along with bank statements. I just resubmitted it with the lost/missing receipt form, however the form reads like it is intended for lost hotel receipts. This was for a TDY to LRAFB. Edited December 15, 2014 by Gus Chiggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I'd recommend contacting the apartment management and asking them to send you a copy of the reciept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Did you swipe a card every month or did you give them your card number upon "moving in" to which they automatically charged every month? If it's the former, they should have copies of each payment on file. Edited December 15, 2014 by Champ Kind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Freshwater Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I paid online monthly through some third party site. It came straight out of checking. I had electronic copies of the receipts, but lost them when my laptop shit the bed. I tried to contact them, and all they could give me was the ledger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I had electronic copies of the receipts, but lost them when my laptop shit the bed... THIS is why I don't pay for jack shit electronically. Cash or check, sure its old school, but its gets the job done. Not unlike BQ_Zip's mom. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HossHarris Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 She prefers black market food stamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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