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1 hour ago, viper154 said:

I would politely let them know if they can’t provide documented proof of reasons not to pay you that you will be making a IG complaint, and actually follow though and make one.  

This right here...also what Hoss said.  If you want to see a commander pucker up fast, bring up an IG complaint, you just have to be willing to follow through with it.  The AF sending you somewhere, then being unwilling to just reimburse you for legitimate costs is perfect grounds for an IG complaint.  If you want to go the nuclear option, call a congressman...nothing gets shit moving like a politician calling a wing king.  Not always recommended but sometimes you're left with no other options.  

Best of luck, finance battles get my blood boiling.  These fuckers should have to actually go TDY with us and deal with all the shit we do while out on the road.  Then they might start to understand why some things are not always black and white.  

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11 hours ago, ViperStud said:

After all these years, I've found new issues with finance - currently engaged two circle with losing cues.  Anyone have experience getting the following reimbursed: Citi Cash Advance Fees, ATM fees and a Visa overstay fine?  Big picture: TDY OCONUS to a country where cash payments were the only acceptable form of payment for lodging and driver.  No one has a problem accepting that; the issue is with getting the associated expenses reimbursed.

City CA fees: found a pamphlet (not JTR) that mentions they're not reimbursable.  Nothing in the JTR that finance or I could find.  Their default position - no reimbursement, regardless of the fact that payments could only be made in cash.

ATM fees: there's a blurb in the JTR stating they have to be approved by the "Secretarial Process" by O-6 or greater ahead of time.  My OG approved them.  Finance chief says the "Secretarial Process" means routing approval to SECAF for my ATM fees, but says she doesn't have that in writing anywhere.  YGBFSM.

Visa overstay: issued a 30-day tourist visa in my official passport upon arrival and overstayed it a few days.  Embassy gave me a MFR asking immigration to waive the overstay fee.  They won't (standard slightly-underdeveloped country cash grab) and there is no reference of anything like this in the JTR.  Their default position - no reimbursement.

Pile-on: CPTS wants to use a website called OANDA for daily conversion rates.  I kept meticulous notes of the overall cash I withdrew against the GOVCC and have an overall conversion rate that I realized.  Using OANDA instead of the real conversion rate nickel and dimes me on every transaction.  When pressed, they said there is no guidance to use OANDA anywhere but it's what their training courses used so it has stuck.  That's a best practice, not guidance.  This is the smallest of problems (monetarily) with this voucher but I want to fight back out of priciple.

Anyone have experience with the expenses above?

This sounds a lot like commander shit.  Have you gotten him/her involved?  After Hoss' advice of trying to work it out with an O in CPTS, that would be my next stop.  If nothing else, telling your CC that you're going to be "red" for GTC payments for a while until this gets sorted out should help gain some traction but hopefully the motivation to help is beyond that.  

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19 hours ago, ViperStud said:

After all these years, I've found new issues with finance - currently engaged two circle with losing cues.  Anyone have experience getting the following reimbursed: Citi Cash Advance Fees, ATM fees and a Visa overstay fine?  Big picture: TDY OCONUS to a country where cash payments were the only acceptable form of payment for lodging and driver.  No one has a problem accepting that; the issue is with getting the associated expenses reimbursed.

City CA fees: found a pamphlet (not JTR) that mentions they're not reimbursable.  Nothing in the JTR that finance or I could find.  Their default position - no reimbursement, regardless of the fact that payments could only be made in cash.

ATM fees: there's a blurb in the JTR stating they have to be approved by the "Secretarial Process" by O-6 or greater ahead of time.  My OG approved them.  Finance chief says the "Secretarial Process" means routing approval to SECAF for my ATM fees, but says she doesn't have that in writing anywhere.  YGBFSM.

Visa overstay: issued a 30-day tourist visa in my official passport upon arrival and overstayed it a few days.  Embassy gave me a MFR asking immigration to waive the overstay fee.  They won't (standard slightly-underdeveloped country cash grab) and there is no reference of anything like this in the JTR.  Their default position - no reimbursement.

Pile-on: CPTS wants to use a website called OANDA for daily conversion rates.  I kept meticulous notes of the overall cash I withdrew against the GOVCC and have an overall conversion rate that I realized.  Using OANDA instead of the real conversion rate nickel and dimes me on every transaction.  When pressed, they said there is no guidance to use OANDA anywhere but it's what their training courses used so it has stuck.  That's a best practice, not guidance.  This is the smallest of problems (monetarily) with this voucher but I want to fight back out of priciple.

Anyone have experience with the expenses above?

For the conversion fees. I’d include what citi charged you for them. Not what Oanda uses. While it’s a nice site for daily rates I’d go off what citi actually charged you. Kind of hard to argue with what the card charges.  As for the rest good luck. I know you used to be able to claim atm fees along with cash advance fees, but knowing the penny pinchers in the gov they stopped that little niceity to save a few bucks 

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I think ATM fees and CA fees were cancelled because OCONUS M&IE were designed to include them. I’m not sure though.

Yes, use what was actually charged on your Citi statement. Don’t forget the 1% currency conversion fee on all foreign transactions.


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I think ATM fees and CA fees were cancelled because OCONUS M&IE were designed to include them. I’m not sure though.

Yes, use what was actually charged on your Citi statement. Don’t forget the 1% currency conversion fee on all foreign transactions.


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I’ve been wondering if the foreign transaction fees may be justification to use a personal card instead of the GTC. I have multiple cards that don’t charge FT fees. Wouldn’t using them be advantageous to the government?


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Leave it to the government to give us all a travel card that charges fees for foreign currency conversion. Isn’t the point of a travel card to avoid fees like that?


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Leave it to the government to give us all a travel card that charges fees for foreign currency conversion. Isn’t the point of a travel card to avoid fees like that?


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No, the point of the card is the kickback the wing/base gets for people using it.
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No, the point of the card is the kickback the wing/base gets for people using it.

But does the kickback exceed the foreign transaction fee? I would assume no, as the government is incompetent.


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7 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:


But does the kickback exceed the foreign transaction fee? I would assume no, as the government is incompetent.


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Different colors of money.  I imagine kickbacks can be spent without congressional oversight.

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9 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:


But does the kickback exceed the foreign transaction fee? I would assume no, as the government is incompetent.


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It does if the government makes the service members pay the transaction fee.

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It does if the government makes the service members pay the transaction fee.

The transaction fee is reimbursable. ATM fees are not


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Whatever all these fees total up to = the amount of 1-2  taxi rides you took and don't have a receipt for.  Fuck them, you can play their game.

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On 12/14/2018 at 6:47 PM, cragspider said:

For the conversion fees. I’d include what citi charged you for them. Not what Oanda uses. While it’s a nice site for daily rates I’d go off what citi actually charged you. Kind of hard to argue with what the card charges.  As for the rest good luck. I know you used to be able to claim atm fees along with cash advance fees, but knowing the penny pinchers in the gov they stopped that little niceity to save a few bucks 

Yeah screw their app, pull up your Citi statement it will have the currency conversion rate that you were charged. This is a clean kill on their buffoonery. If they persist you can mention the IG or maybe that you are refusing to sign a fraudulent voucher claim.

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Does anyone have something that defines the Pentagon “local area” for the purposes of a TDY IAW JTR 0206?  I have a week-long course at Pax River, Maryland, 64 miles from the Pentagon, and the unit finance staff is telling me I have to commute there daily vs staying at a hotel and collecting TDY entitlements.  JTR 0206 says that if the TDY is outside of the permanent duty station “local area,” as defined by the “senior commander,” then TDY entitlements are authorized.  Thanks in advance.

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Does anyone have something that defines the Pentagon “local area” for the purposes of a TDY IAW JTR 0206?  I have a week-long course at Pax River, Maryland, 64 miles from the Pentagon, and the unit finance staff is telling me I have to commute there daily vs staying at a hotel and collecting TDY entitlements.  JTR 0206 says that if the TDY is outside of the permanent duty station “local area,” as defined by the “senior commander,” then TDY entitlements are authorized.  Thanks in advance.


Sounds like it is time to turn in daily local vouchers for mileage. $68.48 a day round trip for 128 miles a day.
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46 minutes ago, TMFan said:

Does anyone have something that defines the Pentagon “local area” for the purposes of a TDY IAW JTR 0206?  I have a week-long course at Pax River, Maryland, 64 miles from the Pentagon, and the unit finance staff is telling me I have to commute there daily vs staying at a hotel and collecting TDY entitlements.  JTR 0206 says that if the TDY is outside of the permanent duty station “local area,” as defined by the “senior commander,” then TDY entitlements are authorized.  Thanks in advance.

Dang...pick up a few good audio books for that drive....like Stephen King's The Stand....for your 2.5 hour each way commute.

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47 minutes ago, TMFan said:

Does anyone have something that defines the Pentagon “local area” for the purposes of a TDY IAW JTR 0206?  I have a week-long course at Pax River, Maryland, 64 miles from the Pentagon, and the unit finance staff is telling me I have to commute there daily vs staying at a hotel and collecting TDY entitlements.  JTR 0206 says that if the TDY is outside of the permanent duty station “local area,” as defined by the “senior commander,” then TDY entitlements are authorized.  Thanks in advance.

I would argue it should be the same definition the leave reg uses which is outside your commuting distance to work.

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We used to go TDY from Lunke to Mesa for sims. At the time the official line was that anything outside 50 miles was outside the local area so this process was standard. 

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Had a Finance SSgt go above and beyond for perhaps the first time in Finance history. He just...did everything for me, and it was magical.

He created my CTW worksheet for me and uploaded it into DTS, doped out my per diem for an upcoming TDY even though it had to be broken into different amounts about 69 times on the same voucher due to stupid rules, AND he told me to just email him my lodging receipts directly while I'm traveling and he'd take care of attaching them to my voucher and updating the per diem and etc. Also showed me the details of the exact schedule of partial payments that I can expect.

Bravo Finance SSgt, for today you were a true American hero* 🍺

*I retain the right to revoke all praise if I'm not actually paid as fragged and in a timely manner

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4 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Had a Finance SSgt go above and beyond for perhaps the first time in Finance history. He just...did everything for me, and it was magical.

He created my CTW worksheet for me and uploaded it into DTS, doped out my per diem for an upcoming TDY even though it had to be broken into different amounts about 69 times on the same voucher due to stupid rules, AND he told me to just email him my lodging receipts directly while I'm traveling and he'd take care of attaching them to my voucher and updating the per diem and etc. Also showed me the details of the exact schedule of partial payments that I can expect.

Bravo Finance SSgt, for today you were a true American hero* 🍺

*I retain the right to revoke all praise if I'm not actually paid as fragged and in a timely manner

Can't be active duty.....

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1 minute ago, Champ Kind said:

Can't be active duty.....

Indeed the grass is greener on the Guard side.

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Indeed the grass is greener on the Guard side.


Maybe they have finally cracked the code. A few old Ops folks were over there, but I don’t think any of them would be SSgt still.


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Thanks, all.  Logic prevailed.  According to the JTR, your AO has the discretion to approve TDYs outside of the PDS but within the “local area.”  There is a DODI that defines both for DC.  The NCR is considered the PDS and that includes just a few counties around DC.  The local area includes most of Maryland, much of Virginia, and even a few counties in West Virginia. 

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