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  1. 3 minutes ago, cagg011 said:

    Considering I was someone who went through the interview circuit and was successfully picked up by a fighter unit, I’m pretty confident I have a better grasp on the the whole process than you do. When I say that getting a Master’s helps, guess what, it worked for me. Also, I know exactly what UPT is like, and I can say without a doubt it’s far more rigorous than most Master’s degrees.

    There’s nothing wrong with someone wanting to better themselves or what they can bring to the table. If that calls for getting a Master’s then yeah, let him go get it to offset his low undergrad GPA. He’ll make it work if he wants to interview badly enough. 

    1. Did I say I was more credible than you? No, I said I still have some pointers I can give out even though I'm still in the circuit. 
    2. YMMV. Worked for you, might not work for someone else. The guy is an engineer in the work field. How much of a difference will the masters make for him? Might be diminishing returns. 
    3. Never said a masters program is more rigorous than UPT. People can have priorities. 
    4. I am in no way telling him not to do it. I told him he should go back if he thinks that the low GPA is robbing him from interviews. 
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  2. 13 hours ago, cagg011 said:

    And you know all of this how? Seems like in another thread you’re still very green in the interview process, but I digress...

    I 100% disagree on the part to not get a Master’s. I, too, had a low undergraduate GPA, but I offset that with a high GPA for my Master’s. You will need the degree later on to promote, so why not go ahead and get it done? If that makes someone “lose focus” during the interview process, then UPT probably wasn’t cut out for them anyway.

    Geez, what is with all the combative applicants these days? First of all, nice ad hominem. You contributed nothing to this thread except counter my point, seemingly because "I'm still green". I've scored alternate positions, so while I haven't been picked up yet, I know a thing or two. But I digress.... YMMV but I'll say again, the fighter units I've come across do not care about your GPA if you have good scores, and are a good dude while rushing. That makes all the difference. Personally, I wouldn't waste time getting a masters if you know all you want to do is fly. If you are struggling getting interviews, then maybe it is time to re-evaluate and get that masters. His scores are stellar. I don't see him needing a masters to get interviews. As I said before though, YMMV. And it most certainly can make someone lose focus during the interview process. Master programs are pretty intense as are rushing/interviewing. In no way does it make someone "not cut out for UPT" just because they want to focus on one part of their life. You are way off base on that assumption. 

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  3. A few things pop into my head, keep in mind I haven't been hired yet either but scored some alternates. 


    • How old are you?
    • Rushing in the Guard is one of the most important things you can do. It can help offset low scores/bad package or it can distinguish you from the hoard which will also have 90's , high GPA, sports, etc. Therefore a lot of it comes down to when you visited, did they like you? Did you mesh well with a majority of the pilots? Not just 1 or 2. 
    • Timing. Sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some. Did the squadron commanders son/daughter apply this time around? For most of us, this is a marathon. For the lucky few, it is a sprint.


    So it seems like the trend is, your scores are good enough for you to get interviews. The next thing for you to do is learn from those interviews. Have you been asking for feedback? Have you been iterating your interview setup? At this point, your package is fine. It's your interaction with the squadron/board that determines whether you get hired or not. Keep rushing, keep interviewing. If you stick with it then you will definitely get it. Though, as I keep saying, unless you are a fvcking weirdo, you will get it. 

  4. 9 minutes ago, LNGH said:

    Thanks for the feedback. I've just been worried that mistakes I've made in the past that I've grown from are going to end a lifelong dream of mine. Any advice on things I could do (especially short term, applying to Duluth this month, but long term as well if it doesn't pan out) to help show improvement?

    TBH,  most fighter squadrons wont give a sh!t about the GPA. Especially if you have a solid job with a solid company. It would be different if you were flipping burgers. Just write a well crafted cover letter explaining your situation, how and why you learned from it, etc. As I said, it doesn't really matter because of your scores and sports. Will you get invited to every interview for fighters? No, but you'll get a lot of invites. If you are hell bent on showing improvement on GPA, then just go back and get a masters. IMO, that's a waste of time and money and might make you lose focus. Keep rushing, interviewing, and polishing up the interview and you will get picked up in under 2 years, unless you're a fvcking weirdo. 

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  5. 4 hours ago, GDAL said:

    The only way to get an FC1 without any commitments is to go into the guard. What everyone else is saying is true. Let me distill it down for you plainly:

    1) If you go the active duty route, once you swear in, they're going to have you doing something. Even if you flunk the FC1, you're most likely going to incur a 4 year commitment doing some other officer job. 

    2) Once you decline an AD commissioning offer for which you applied, you will no longer be considered for future boards on the AD side.

    3) If you are working through the process on the AD side, they will control your paperwork. So if you're pursuing both paths, AD will have to fully release all of your info before the guard can "take control" of your file. Which means lengthy waits, depending on how much you pissed off your recruiter.

    4) Rush guard and reserve units. They will swear you in as an enlisted bro (E-3 typically) to get you on orders and moved through the process. Make sure your contract says "enlisting for the purpose of commissioning as a pilot with [insert squadron here]." That way if you flunk out anywhere in the process, you receive an Entry Level Separation and off you go back to whatever desk you were flying before.

    Bottom line, forget AD. Go guard or reserve. And respect the older bros on here (and everywhere, for that matter). Calling people 'boss' and being passive aggressive won't yield good results for you if you plan to have any success in your 12 years of military service.

    Thanks for the info. Surprising that people are getting offended by the word "boss". Interesting that you are able to draw passive aggressiveness from a post with no indication of tone. I was not intending to be a smart ass to anyone and was genuinely asking a question. I didn't think I was coming off as disrespectful and not know my place. Anyway, looks like I know what to do now and not create unnecessary risk and waste peoples time. 

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  6. 1 hour ago, dmginc said:

    Quit putting your foot in your mouth.  To break it down for you... once you are offered the AD commission, meaning you are selected by the board, your recruiter is correct.  If you say 'no' at that point, you are essentially barred from receiving a commission.  Up until that point, you haven't committed to anything.  Don't waste an AD recruiters time if that's not 100% the path you want to take....they're already stretched thin enough.

    Well, I am interested in both AD or Guard/Reserves which is why I asked the question. 

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  7. Hi all,


    I'm currently in the process of becoming a pilot on the AD side. I will be going to MEPS soon and assuming this upcoming board goes well, I'll be selected. I am interested in the Guard/Reserve side of things now and want to start pursuing that also but my recruiter said if I swear into AD and then bail, I'll never be allowed to have a job in the Air Force. Is this true? Say I swear in, complete my FC1 physical and then get picked up by a Guard unit, will I be able to join the Guard unit even though I swore in on the AD side?

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  8. 3 minutes ago, WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot said:

    Im applying to the upcoming active duty pilot board and I’m interested in going to ENJJPT because of the fighter/bomber track. Will I know I was given an ENJJPT slot if I’m approved to attend UPT before I sign? I.e. before I go to OTS.

    And as a civilian who has very competitive PCSM, GPA, and pilot license how likely am I to be offered an ENJJPT slot? 

    You'll have to post your actual stats for anyone to give accurate insight. 

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