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You are all getting way, way off track. The purpose of the AF test, per it’s creator, is to measure Vo2 Max, which also according to him is the best indicator of health and future healthcare costs. That should answer most questions. Continue.
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3 hours ago, Merle Dixon said:
DAL put $38k into my 401k last year. Each and every one of you has millions of dollars worth of training. The $35k retention bonus is an insult. Imbiciles. Fools.
And how much did you have to contribute for Delta Airlines to give you $38,000 on top of your $130,000-$180,000 second-year pay and 10+ days off a month?
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49 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:
There was never anybody higher ranking than them who asked what it would take to keep them in.
I guess desperate times call for...
increasing UPT throughput to 1500+ and funding diversity measures to access untapped recruiting pools.
Don’t worry folks. Pilot shortage will be solved by 2023. You are expendable once again. Now move along.
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2 hours ago, di1630 said:
Even at that, the USAF doesn’t auth the full amount for a lot of groups.
Very telling.Yeah. It’s insulting 😂. Their next shortage will be at 20+ YAS as guys who stayed expecting the AF to step up get out as soon as they can to join the club.
60k ends the shortage today. Guaranteed.
But I guess they don’t have a problem anymore since they've stopped requesting a higher AvB.
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1 hour ago, cragspider said:
If the supposed goal of this is overall heath and healthcare cost. Then why isn’t the waist measurement, which is how they check BMI correct?, not done during our yearly PHA?
Doctors aren’t trained to do waists measurements 😂
If they gave them that additional duty, they’d have to raise their bonus to maintain retention.
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1 hour ago, FLEA said:
Here is the dude who apparently drives all this. Going to actually watch this later.
Gist:
1. He thinks he’s the god of health and fitness.
2. The test is a health-risk indicator not an overall fitness or performance indicator.
3. Running and BMI are all you need to predict healthcare costs.
4. Hopes to implement random testing modeled after random drug testing to incentivize year-round health.
5. Occupational tests are for fitness and performance testing.
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"The FY20 PB continues the increased maximum payout of $35,000 authorized in the FY17 NDAA."
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2 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:
Pilot promotion rates go down. Source: see the USN pilot promotion issues.
Can always cross-train to supreme allied AOC commander... or whatever that new AFSC is.
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2 hours ago, bennynova said:
If you have a training report from an in residence school, it can be seen.
Yeah. So like I said. FAOs who went to NPS before they got credit will show school complete on their OPB (because they did it through DL) and show NPS in their records. What will FAOs who went to NPS after this new credit show? School complete on their OPB and NPS in their records. Same, same.
2 hours ago, celtic020 said:Also, if you're en route to school your OPB will list "IDE....SELECT". In such cases the board won't even have to scroll -- they'll know you're headed to IDE in residence. Ipso facto...one more data point to prove that in-res vs distance is easily identifable to the board.
Also, none will show IDE...SELECT, because it is Deliberate Development credit given after completion, not IDE In-Res.
18 minutes ago, Nope said:I know at least three FAOs who did the full FAO track (NPS, language, immersion, jt assignment) before “in-res” credit was given and got passed over in their IPZ in the last two boards. Maybe this board will be different?
As far as competitiveness... Have these guys done as much or more than in-res folks? Probably. But getting kudos for school attendance isn't about the quality of the experience, education, or training, it's about the quality-cut that got you there. For better or worse.
The FAOs that get promoted are the ones who would have gotten promoted anyway before going FAO or the ones who get selected for the competitive, high-vis FAO positions. I don't see the new credit having a huge effect. Sorry.
The real question is what happens to folks like this when the AF divides the LAF into competitive categories.
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4 hours ago, panchbarnes said:
Not sure how this impacts the O5 board, but my FAO buddy said there was a recent memo stating that any FAO schooling (usually NPS) will count as IDE in-res now. This is done to boost the FAO promotion rate to O5. Long over due in my opinion.
No impact. School method is masked at board. Before, board saw FAO with NPS in training records and school complete. Now, board will see FAO with NPS in training records and school complete. Won't boost FAO promotion rate. The AF beginning to value the institutional requirements those guys fill and what they bring to the table, might.
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7 hours ago, IDALPHA said:
Reading this thread surprises me that this many people want/care to attend school.....
Hope is the AF’s new retention tool.
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9 hours ago, pawnman said:
Well, if these slots go to third-look folks, then they aren't going to shiny pennies. So that's already an improvement over "you didn't make it first look, I can't keep arguing for you, I have to posture captain Snuffy for his 2 BPZ board".
about 545 IDE slots each year.
about 220 will go to DAs.
about 60 additional slots will be reserved for third looks (not DAs). Note this also happened in 2018.
If you weren’t going to be the Wg/CC’s #1 before you won’t be his DA now. This changes nothing except gives Wg/CCs more control and confidence that their guy will go, which believe it or not did not always happen before.
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1 hour ago, pawnman said:
Even if they do, it means the rest don't have to compete against that #1 guy on the board.
Compete against the #1 guy for 10 slots or don’t compete against him for 9 slots. Tomato tomato.
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6 hours ago, Bender said:
Oh, and forget an increased bonus...
The AF is not going to end their shortage by 2023 like they are planning.
Watched the 12 March hearing of the House Armed Services Committee, Subcommittee on Military Personnel, and Congress ate up the testimony of the guy that said bigger bonuses won’t help (Mr. Todd Harrison, CSIS). He said that he thinks paying military members more would cheapen their service. The subcommittee loved it. One congresswoman even piggy-backed to say that in her 20 years in the service she never heard any of her peers complain about pay. Mr. Harrison also cherry-picked some stats to argue that increasing the bonus had zero affect on retention. Congress ooh’ed and ah’ed. “Wow! That’s eye-opening!”
His recommendation? More or less, “We shouldn’t do anything until we do more surveys to find out why troops are really leaving and mine that data.”
To the credit of the representative from RAND, she vigorously argued that the data we already have showed bonuses do work, but it is simply not high enough to have the desired effect. She was largely dismissed.
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11 hours ago, Lumbergh said:
The board won't know how to tell a good OPR from a bad one. They won't understand things
Don’t they all sound good to people who don’t know how to read them...?
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38 minutes ago, SuperWSO said:
Cyber is one of the only communities that share a problem with the pilot world: high training/entry requirements, and a robust market outside the military willing to pay for talent.
The other community being doctors... but then they get bonuses commensurate with their training and the outside market. Seems to work for them. So weird.
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2 hours ago, DuckHunter said:
If it substantially increases (at least 55k/year) or move to the professional pay that was thrown around I would CONSIDER staying. I’m giving the AF one last shot to fix itself.
My friend's Excel worksheet still says he needs $72k/year to make it worth it for him monetarily... but I think $55k would probably do it for him given he just got the assignment he wanted.
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3 hours ago, jice said:
Slightly above average officers and average aviators who may be unlikely to earn a DP [and can stomach it] volunteer for what was formerly a dead-end job in order to increase the expected value of their career-long/life-long pay. Commanders, in turn, are incentivized to send folks they wouldn’t mind coming back to the community at +1 rank.
and we can call it AFPAK Hands!
But in all seriousness, with the DOPMA flexibility from congress this FY your vision is at least possible.
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8 hours ago, Swizzle said:
Which if they did that... How would the institutional job requirements (i.e. school instructors, Recruiters, etc.) be promoted? And against who? I believe they'd be short-changed and even worse off than before.
Yep. Probably.
The pendulum swings yet again.
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9 hours ago, Swizzle said:
I corroborate his hearsay, its not the MLR nor for the MLR's function. Instead to gather empirical data of new vs old way of PRFs against two promotion boards. Senior leaders needs data before a decision to make PRFs much shorter...
I think he’s actually referring to the mock board for competitive categories, i.e. aviators only competing against aviators for promotion.
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Anyone calling “troll” yet? Someone with these questions hasn’t passed high school history or read a newspaper in the past 10 years. An electronic subscription would do the trick too.
Bottom line is if you want to be at the leading edge of global events and tell stories of the 6 to 9 wars you fought in with some of the most intelligent and motivated combat aviators in the world, you join the AF.
If you want stories about your ports of call you join the Navy.
If you want stories about your two year-long deployments to the same country you join the Army.
If you want stories like the Army, but wetter and dirtier, join the Marines.
It’s not rocket science, it’s what we do.
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15 hours ago, Homestar said:
if a guy goes from BPZ DP to IPZ P something has happened. Either the individual’s record changed significantly or a bunch of rock stars moved in during the year.
Or, which happened to I, back in the day I had plans outside the organization, was leaving in 3 months, and a new Sq/CC, Gp/CC, and Wg/CC had just arrived. Despite doing some of the best work I’d ever done and working my tail off to keep things afloat for the new CC, my ranking went down and I lost a strong push I’d had the previous year.
Sq/CC’s explanation? “You don’t need it. You’re heading down a different path now.” Referring to my school selection and PCS out of his org. Reiterated by Wg Execs.
On top of that, we had a terrible new control freak Chief Exec who was the perfect combo of, “You shouldn’t write your own OPR,” and, “I’ve never written an OPR before.” So we had that expert writing my OPR and PRF for the CC and heismaning all my efforts to help him.
So just pointing out that 💩 happens.
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55 minutes ago, Igloowhite said:
You sign a waiver basically that you forfeit your retirement pay while in the ANG, but once you finished with your service your guard time adds onto your AD time ( plus promotion ) when you start receiving your retirement pay.
Interesting. Is that the only way they'll let an over 20 guy in? Asking for a friend.
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57 minutes ago, Igloowhite said:
Was active for 23 years and then went ANG for additional 10 years. Had to get SECAF approval, but the Guard unit had openings so it was approved. While in the Guard I did not receive an AD retirement, but was orders more often not and received active pay w/BHA while I attended grad school. Got to fly without all the extraneous AD nonsense and go to school, for me it was a win/win, ymmv!
How did you not receive an active duty retirement...?
Palace Chase info
in Air National Guard / Air Force Reserves
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😂 They got you.