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5 hours ago, brickhistory said:
No Jussie Smollet talk? Odd.
No Steven Hatfield talk? Odd.
No Samantha Powers talk? Odd.
No Chicago corruption talk even for something as simple as a library? Odd.
I was unaware these people were all Presidents of the United States... Since the topic of this thread is, ya know, "The Next President is..."
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On 2/17/2019 at 6:24 PM, Seadogs said:
If a leftist NBC says illegal immigration costs the U.S. $54 billion per year and Trump is asking about $5 billion for a wall, I don't think you can make an economic argument against the wall being a "waste of money and resources".
The $5B isn't for the entire wall. It's for about 215 miles of wall. There's just under 2000 miles of border between Mexico and the U.S.
It amazes me that people believe the $5B he asked for was for the entire wall. It's not even close.
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It is one of the first things they teach on physical security that barriers are incapable of keeping people out; that thinking the existence of a wall or door will keep someone out is the absolute worst mistake you can make. There is no such thing as an effective barrier.
Instead, doors, fences, and locks are delay devices, meant to keep someone busy while the the alarms bring responders. In any real physical security scenario, it is really the responders (and the threat of them) that keep people away, not the walls.
Further, when there IS a wall, generally all costs for security and alerting are built into the wall, offering a fantastic opportunity for attackers to plan distractions, costly vandalism, and to circumvent the easily probed security. You k ow how expensive it is to hire a welder to work in the desert, and to haul repair materials out like that? It's certainly not cheap. And then you need an HSI expert to repair and test the security.
But the desert doesn't need another delay mechanism. The desert there itself is the delay mechanism, as it takes days to cross, and there's nowhere to hide.
Instead, we just need an effective alarm. Instead of a wall or barrier, what we need is drones: cheap, efficient cameras capable of quickly being replaced and covering large areas. Put a motion sensor and anomaly detection on the drone platform, have it call out a second drone for continued monitoring, and follow the incursion while alerting the actual border patrol to send out a truck.
This would be far more effective. If a drone goes down or gets shot down, it would be trivial to detect and send replacements and response. All the drones need is a platform for recharging: put them on the border patrol vehicles.
We don't need another delay mechanism; we already have one. We just need an effective alarm.
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13 hours ago, dream big said:
The difference is this time it is actually to protect Americans from the out of control illegal immigration flood.
The funny thing is you actually believe that.
And yes I wasn't a fan of Obama's use of EOs. But then I don't remember him using them to fund projects not authorized by Congress either.
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Interesting to note all those people who railed against Obama's use of executive privilege are remaining silent on Trump declaring a "national emergency", this completely sidestepping the legislative branch of government to fund his pet project.
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On 1/30/2019 at 11:27 AM, Lord Ratner said:
You don't want illegal immigration curbed, plain and simple.
Wrong.
I want -real- solutions (i.e. fixing the immigration process and rules), not a monument. While a wall may put a minuscule dent, it certainly won't stop all, or even most, illegal entries.
Why not attack the cause, the why, of illegal immigration rather than slapping on a band-aid?
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On 1/28/2019 at 7:18 PM, Lord Ratner said:
Source?
Nevermind, it's 42%. So less than half. Looks like the wall is a solid part of solving the problem.
Read it again.
"It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. that year."
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The vast majority of illegals (roughly 2/3) arrive via legal means and then overstay their visa.
How does a wall keep this from happening?
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On 1/20/2019 at 12:25 AM, Clark Griswold said:
Curious as you have no comment to the subject of the majority of my post, the wall is necessary for its own purpose to stop illegal activity and also necessary for millions of deplorables to see that their government responds to their wants, needs and concerns particularly after a very unexpected political victory/shock to the system.
Condescending to them or just blowing them off is a recipe for disaster.
Sorry I'm on vacation and don't want to waste it debating.
But basically the wall will not stop illegal activity. To think so is very naive.
Polls show the vast majority of Americans are not in favor of the wall. Yes I know polls can be wrong. But the last election was a swing away from Trump and his policies. Those millions also want to see the government responds to their wants, needs, and concerns... and they exceed those "deplorables" in number.
The GOP had 2 years to fund a wall. Nada. Why?
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On 1/17/2019 at 7:34 PM, Clark Griswold said:
Source?
There are many out there so I will counter with another that is closer to reality IMHO:
BLUF this guy estimates 25 billion in construction, I'm sure MX and patrol costs would come up to a billion or two a year. Worth it IMO again as it asserts sovereignty, security and could be instrumental in lowering the temperature in the cultural war in America.
Are we going to steal the land from private property owners this wall will need to be built on or are we going to offer them just compensation for their property?
Cause if we are, that $25B goes up quite a bit. Materials and labor aren't the only costs.
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On 1/17/2019 at 4:41 PM, Duck said:
So we replace them with legal documented workers through the immigration system.
Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile appWhich is what my stance has been all along. Reform our current, shitty immigration policy with one that allows for greater allowances for guest workers. Then you won't need a wall.
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1 hour ago, Duck said:
What’s the yearly financial impact of illegal immigration?
Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile appIf all illegals were to suddenly disappear, the immediate impact would be a loss of $11.6B in tax revenues, roughly 8 million jobs that are dependent on the economic activity of that population would be lost, and low skilled labor costs would rise which in turn would cause in increase in the costs of goods and services to consumers.
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3 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:
5.7 billion for a wall that directly protects the security and sovereignty of ‘Merica vs 15 billion for what exactly in continuing the Syrian mission? 45 billion per year for Afghanistan? X billions per year deterring aggression for Germany with the 4th largest economy in the world?
Spending a modest amount to keep out illegal aliens (some from hostile nations and/or members of TNCOs) is well worth it
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk$5B isn't the total cost of the wall, that's what he's requesting to get started on the wall. Most estimates place the entire cost upwards of $50B-$100B.
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On 1/15/2019 at 6:32 AM, pawnman said:
They did raise $14 million through a crowd funding initiative.
And bonds at least have a return.
Fantastic! At that rate the wall will be fully funded in 69 years!
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On 1/6/2019 at 7:49 PM, uhhello said:
Mexico IS paying for it bigly. All the money we are saving thru new NAFTA is....
Great. Then we don't need to budget for a wall. Just use that extra NAFTA cash we got coming in.
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3 hours ago, brickhistory said:
Further, McCrystal talked smack about Obama (to a reporter, no less!) and was rightly fired.
Mattis talks smack to the President, egged on by the press, and Trump's the one at fault.
Gospel on one hand.
Blasphemy on the other.
Farewell, logic and facts. We hardly knew ye...
Handled wrong by Obama? Yes? Petulant? No.
Trump "fired" Mattis in a immature act for a perceived personal slight of Mattis quitting.
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Trump: "You can't quit, because you're fired"
The very definition of petulant.
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Mattis' letter is the most polite way to say "go fuck yourself sideways".
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Meanwhile Mattis is quitting and Putin is praising the action.
But I'm the delusional one. Got it.
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1 hour ago, Darth said:
What is this? Nothing about pulling out of Syria? A slow day on BO forums....
Putin is happy, and that's all that matters with this administration.
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On 12/15/2018 at 4:19 PM, brickhistory said:
https://lawandcrime.com/columnists/heres-how-trumps-tax-plan-delivered-quite-a-blow-to-obamacare/
Fairly big deal.
Interesting to see how RINO Chief Justice Roberts keeps it this time.
And how it will play out for 2020.
But a very good thing to have happen.
Finally.
The GOP has had the House, the Senate, and the WH for 2 years and have done jack shit to repeal and replace. You know why:? Because they don't have anything better.
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On 11/12/2018 at 10:21 AM, Tank said:
Saw Bohemian Rhapsody - highly recommend.
I have mixed feelings on this. I loved the idea. I thought the casting was great. The acting was decent. But the writing felt shallow. The movie needed more depth in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie, I just thought it could have been a little better.
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Everyone conveniently glossing over the fact 7 Republican governor offices were lost to the Dems when touting how well the Republican strategy is working.-
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