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JRBac. No one here is advocating harassment or assault. But truth and justice for everyone. People are saying that it has to be more than just he said she said. That’s it. No ill intention to not believe a victim and protect a friend. Nor should it be innocent until accused. There has to be a fair equitable process in these events for all based on truth and evidence. Not what people over heard at a bar. Sounds like everyone here wants to make sure who is the victim and who is the aggressor as it seems some in here have Victims of abuse or harassment close to their heart. And others might have been victims of false accusations or wrongly accused or victims of the cancel & #metoo culture. Truth and justice. That’s it. No one should be held accountable for something like that when the only thing brought forward on this chat has been saying someone touched my butt and someone else saying me too. There has to be more than that to it.

This thread took a violent left turn somewhere. The world some of you fucking live in....jesus. You act like there are hordes of women running about trying to entrap you in salacious situations just to ruin your careers. There are three sides to every story. Some of you dudes love to listen to just one.

Kinda makes you long for the day when a good old-fashioned ass-kicking immediately resolved these types of situations.

If my son had been accused then found guilty by a military investigation of grinding against another mans wife.....I mean, do I really have to tell you what I would do to my son for that? Yes, sometimes women lie. Sometimes CDIs go sideways. But it isn’t a stretch to believe that a man, while drinking, touched this woman sexually in an unwanted manner. A better question is: what would you do if this were your wife? “C’mon honey, he’s a good dude.” Let me know how that goes.

What would you say the ratio of “good dude” erroneously railroaded because of vindictive women vs. the amount of women who’ve had to remain silent because of fear of reprisal, humiliation, etc.? Sit in any virtually any leadership position in the military, and it should be painfully obvious that one of these situations (while trending in the right direction at a very good speed) happens much more than the other. I ran a CDI where I ended up clearing a SMSgt of some bogus charges. In my brief from the IG as I was starting the investigation there was a clear bias against the dude. Everyone had already convicted him, so there’s one situation you can mark in your “guilty until proven innocent” column. It’s up to us to do the right thing. I won’t lie, I was convinced of his guilt as well. I talked to about a million people during the investigation, relied on the facts, and it was clear this guy was innocent. It wasn’t a woman trying to convince everyone of his guilt either, it was a jealous “good dude” trying to railroad the other guy... In my current role, DO in 2 different squadrons now, I’ve also seen 5 different instances where some “good dude” was being a total douchbag. Not making a judgment call on this situation because I don’t have all the facts. That being said, it’s a heck of a lot easier to believe some “good dude” coming from the old school behaved inappropriately towards a woman... Who on here can’t point to things they’ve heard said when some “good dude” thought no one was listening except other dirtbags...? Maybe I’ve just had the misfortune of working with more than my fair share of “good dudes” that still think that type of behavior is okay... YMMV. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yeah, deliberately rubbing your genitals on someone is probably behavior deserving a bit more than an ass chewing...especially if you think “she probably just felt a glass of beer” is a plausible explanation. I get this is your friend, but I seriously hope you never have a subordinate come to you with a harassment/assault issue.

Good way to lose a cjo .... at least with delta.

Yep... I got that from when he responded to my post saying that’s what happened. I’m saying I wonder why. I got an email as well, this morning to my personal email. I went onto vmpf and checked my assignment and it says Laughlin now.

Shack...and that’s the point too many people don’t understand nowadays. See Guardian’s post above - nailed it.

New jet, new day.

And I still had to lug around a 100lb bag of nearly-useless flip at the same time even though I had an iPad and some GO already took credit for saving the eleventy-billion dollars of fake money in fuel savings.

There is about a zero to negative chance we sell F-35’s to an Arab AF. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

Hard no.

The Saudis export extremist Sunni Islam all throughout the world … broader Q: why should we even consider them an ally.

Who wants to eat in a ing bathroom?

Same here.....

So I just got notified that my orders just changed from Randolph to Laughlin AFB. Same RNLT date.