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I could give a rats fucking ass what some douche in A1 says...take your intent and use it to choke yourself. The only “fact” we know at this point is what is written in the order and that order delegates authority to SECSEF and SECAF to INVOLUNTARILY recall up to 1,000 pilots. Our intent...give me a fucking break...how many times have they lied already?

Just cause they call doesn’t mean you have to answer. Thats airline 101 right there.

I think it’s funny they listed mccain as a Democrat from AZ. Thats the more accurate label anyway

That's the real reason he wanted line up cards. Needed to make them for requal.

The "reason" you get "retirement" benefits is precisely so they CAN place you back on active duty.

Just had this very discussion with the other FO yesterday, coming back from a particularly awesome European layover. Former 11F (O-4/WIC type), now a 4 year WB FO, soon to be NB CA. Here were his demands for a staff gig. - 130k/yr bonus (difference in his expected NB CA pay and O-4 pay) that increases 5k for every year he's back on AD. - Choice of his assignment/location - No deployments or involuntary TDYs - 8 hour work days - Auto approval of all leave submissions (up to the yearly limit) - No OPRs - No work at home (email and blackberry stay in the office) - No SARC training/CBTs/ORIs/MICT/PT test (although passing one clearly isn't a problem for this guy) - Reimbursement for a property management company to take care of his house while he is gone - A clause that states anytime finance denies any of his moving expenses/damaged goods, he can void the contract - DLA to and from his assignment, even the PCS to the PLEAD when he separates again - If he falls short of his 20, then ALL time counts toward early retirement credit for his part timer retirement He was willing to knock off a FEW of these items if you let him just be a line IP with no additional duties.

I have a feeling a pilot recalled to the staff would look something like this...

If anyone needs to get out of this, PM me I know the way...

Sure sounds like this opens the door to involuntary recalls. The real post 9/11 national emergency is the fact that the USAF is stocked with "leaders" who thought it was a good idea to involuntarily separate people in the face of an impending pilot shortage that even a first year ROTC cadet could see coming. Now their piss poor prior planning constitutes a national emergency? Unfuckingbelievable.

I don't think you guys understand. There is no negotiation required when you can just order people back. You'll get your AD paycheck, and you'll give up any retirement you'd been drawing. Why would they possibly give you anything else? It's just a backdoor draft, and anybody who gets recalled is going to get the shittiest job for the least pay possible.

Here's an idea. On your down time chase the hot E-4 and put the Snap-On tool calendar behind your desk. Pretty sure neither have to be reported to the FAA

What’s that you say about second breakfast?

I’m sure that staff job will be running like a finely tuned machine.

Identify as an attack helicopter?

In short it's all perfectly legal, but here's my advice: I've seen some prior Navy and non-rated crewmember guys wearing both and it kinda looks dumb, the AF guys call any double wing wearer a "Dragonfly". I've seen some prior Navy and Marine guys wear AF wings mon-thurs and then their Navy wings with their callsign patch on Friday, which I think is a much more tactful way of doing things. I spoke to a pretty chill wing commander fighter type at my B-Course and he basically recommended waiting until I was officially named and then get Army wings on my callsign name tape if I want like the Navy guys do. In UPT I started with nothing and then wore my Army wings on my student name-tape after my flight commander said that I should. I then wore my AF wings once they were earned with no other wings (the couple other Army guys I knew there did the same). I originally had my AF wings with my CAB but it looks kinda funky and no one has any idea what a CAB is. I wore Army wings on my blues and dress mess along with my CAB before I graduated, and then at graduation I had my mom take my Army ones off and my wife put my Air Force ones on. I think the dragonfly thing looks kinda dumb. You can wear airborne if you want but people are gonna assume that your just an Academy guy who's proud of his 5 jumps from a Cessna. My advice would be to play the humble card on that and just wear it on your blues, and then when they say you never told them that you were a zoomy you can explain the Army Airborne school process.

Real issue: Will Huggy attempt to Favre it and set the record for most times returning from retirement?

SHACK. AGAIN, SHACK. Bottom line, this decision should boil down to one question and that is what is the best way to accomplish mission of CSAR? As a -60 dude, it pains me to agree with you about aircraft capes, but you're absolutely correct with regard to the V-22. Additionally, the way AFSOC does business with regard to force structuring will be a plus in the long term (in the near term it will suck for the dudes that are currently on the fast track though...sorry bros). Overall, I'm hoping for the AFSCOC transition to occur.

Before we do any of this, we need to divest 25% of the no value added staff jobs, that aren't being filled anyway. Somehow we need to separate identifying worthless jobs and self worth and separate actual requirements from leadership's empire building. If leaders can't honestly assess their requirements, we should ask their subordinates what positions are dead weight and we can start by asking these "100% promote to Major" Captains, no retribution, which of their jobs were worthless.

Personally believe this is a first step to stop loss. "Hey we tried to get volunteers and we couldn't do the only other option is...." that's what I see the leading to.

sssssshhhhhhhhhh......

I'm a bit confused how you go straight to retired dudes when you can start to tag those who are at the end of UPT commitments and dudes who haven't applied to retire, and dudes who have retirement orders but haven't gotten out of the burning building yet.

You’ll have to go back to MEPS and they have to waive any condition that the VA is treating you or compensating you for.

I've heard talk of this a bunch in around the squadron for the last month or so. Dudes are worried about cutting the CRH order down for more 22s. To be honest, the 60W isn't really the right tool. It won't be much faster than our current helicopter. Its like buying a 2002 crown victoria because your 1985 crown vic is too old, slow, and its probably been in a wreck. Both options aren't great, but man, you just really like the crown vic...and want a CD player. If they end up buying more CVs, ok. We'll find a way to make them work for CSAR like we've made a 1980s blackhawk work. CSAR is so far behind the curve when it comes to our iron we may as well skip a generation and go straight to helping the Army with it's FVL platforms. All the fighter bro's i've talked to like us being there and the mission is absolutely a necessity, but HHQ has consistently put CSAR on the back burner.

Recall me to a cockpit? Ok, I get it. Recall me to a desk? I will be raging pissed.

I hear there's a bottleneck at the Palace Chase office and with SAF approval, too...

<Phone rings> "Yo, bro, come on down. You've been Non-vol'd. SOF briefing Monday morning, 0800" "Dude, this stuff I've been smoking is the $hit. Did you say something about SOF, something?"

So it begins... What's the over/under on how long it takes someone to challenge the max duration of a "state of national emergency"? 16+ years seems to be pushing it.

Besides gas?

Huh...Are you new? When Gen Brown was the SOCOM/CC he basically forced AFSOC to divest all helos, besides the 53's were TIRED. To understand the CV-22 you have to understand SOCOM and AFSOC were born because of the failure at Desert One and a helicopter even today can not execute that mission in one period of darkness but the CV can. I was never a CV lover...in fact I hated, it killed two very good friends...then I flew it...then I commanded it in combat. It is a game changer that has had its hands tied by a manning shortfall driven by decisions from above. Is it perfect, nope, but on the battlefield today it IS the platform of choice of the high end users. I've heard the internal discussions about CSAR at AFSOC and not a single word of stealing assets or $...just how can we do this better. Sadly the CSAR O-6's will never listen because they have Stockhom Syndrome and still believe their ACC puppet masters will do the right thing.

This is pretty moving.

Wait... confirm you found the CLT?