I don't think 13 years means anything...some people will do a legendary job. The problem is the latter part of the last quote, we pick these people due to being execs and aides and staffers and schoolers...not operational experts (or god forbid, a little of both). The pole year is crippling us. We have rigid metrics of what is important to hit BTZ, aka pole year set up. Shiny pennies rarely even deploy, the path doesn't provide time for such inconveniences. If they do, it's only to get the command box check. Check the box, check the box...what's not in the brochure is only the first three are actually boxes you check. Who likes you while you checked those three determines if you'll check the remainder. The number of dudes I've heard of getting BTZ to O-5 but then direct back to the IDE, which they didn't get before...gross. The number of SDE getting picked up candidates because they can't get people to take it...gross. It's all just upside down fvcked up. (My phone just autocorrected upside down to unpaid, it was tough to fix.) Bendy Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums