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Did you seriously just throw core value #2 at the very dudes who constitute THE Air Force contribution to efforts over the last 10+ years? You should be ashamed of yourself. There are people on here who probably have more deployments than everyone at AFPC combined, never mind yourself. I don't know what kind of shoe clerkery you are involved in, nor do I really care, but I'm willing to bet that your definition of "service" is significantly different than the definition we use around here. Want to help clarify some of this RIF/VSP buffoonery? Please, we would like nothing more, but DO NOT come here and try to lecture us about our alleged lack of service or our lack of faith in a unit which has repeatedly implemented the most asinine, obtuse, and myopic personnel programs. Faith is a synonym for trust, it is tediously earned and easily lost, and you are not helping to earn back anyone's trust or faith here.

What about core value #3?

HAHAHAHAHAHA! I have ZERO faith in anyone working in senior A1 management at the pentagon or AFPC. Abso-fucking-lutely none. Would you have faith in pilots that just landed at the wrong airport? Well A1 et al have landed at the wrong fucking airport multiple times with the shenanigans surrounding the 2011 VSP, the 187, this latest round of force shaping measures, etc. Faith in other human beings is earned, not given blindly. Earn it. Wait...what? You realize you're talking about VSP, a VOLUNTARY program. That's what the V stands for. Anyone thinking about applying by definition does not want to continue serving on active duty and most want a thorough, well-communicated and timely plan, not more RUMINT and delays.

In the aircrew world, this is called "I have a secret." Best case, it erodes trust. Worst case, it makes airplanes crash. All people are asking from AFPC is transparency and access to information that directly affects the rest of their entire lives.

Guys, don't feed the troll. Chang is, at best, a lower-rung staffer who thinks he is empowered by his access to slide decks on a Sharepoint or in some org box. Maybe he gets to sit in the cheap seats during middle-management meetings, nodding profusely and scribbling notes on his steno pad. He is not an authority, and should be disregarded. He logs in to play with your emotions. Don't feed the troll.

I think peoples' patience for this shit has justifiably run out.

In the event the Air Force is abolished, 11F is exempt and will report to work on Monday.

Not worried about the consequences. I am shouting from the roof tops. LET ME GO!

Just googled "Brig Gen Grosso"...

I don't think you get it.

Typically billet aluminum receivers are heavier than your standard AR uppers and lowers. They purposely leave extra material for "strength." Since the receivers on an AR are already more than strong enough, it's pretty useless. Their selling point that they use 7075 aluminum in their receivers is dubious too. The cheaper (quality) AR "manufacturers" use 6061, but the well respected manufacturers use 7075 as that's what the mil-spec calls for. I have no personal experience with Grey Tactical, but I recommend to anyone looking for a quality AR-15 to stick with Colt, BCM, KAC, Noveske, Larue, or Daniel Defense.

So, it's a good thing for a group of people that want to get out that they will continue to stay in a job they are desperately trying to leave? And it's a good thing for the people facing RIF now have to worry that more people will be RIFed to make up for the fact that less people will get out voluntarily. Yeah, sounds like great news.

With this crop of managers in charge, don't show your hands unless you are ready to deal with the consequences...

Are you being serious? Because that would be the icing on this cake of awesomeness Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

This looks like a mug shot... Of course, most ID card pictures do; but who gets one taken wearing their t-shirt?!?

Duck, the first rifle you posted is an O-PAP, which has the original (beefier) RPK receiver on it. Not really necessary with out the grenade launching capability the original M70B1 has, but still a desired trait. The one HeloDude posted is a N-PAP, which doesn't have the RPK bulged receiver on it. So what's the attraction for the grenade launcher?!? Well, first and foremost, let me clarify that this is NOT ME! I'm not that thin or good looking, nor do I speak so elegantly! But this video shows how a Yugo M70 can launch a dummy grenade... And yes, I do own a practice grenade! You can also buy devices that allow you to do the same with a tennis ball. I have a couple of M70s and prefer them over the PAPs because of its closer lineage to the original rifle the JNA carried, as no PAPs have the gas block or grenade sites on on them. But the price and availability of these is tough to resist! Just to clarify, these are new production rifles whereas the original M70s were built off demilled kits (minus receivers). They are all built on 1.5mm thick receivers whereas most AKs are 1.0mm, so they're heavier rifles but I feel of a better quality than most stamped AKs. Note that these rifles have a tendency to beat the hell out of your face because of their high cheek weld. It's a common characteristic on Yugos. Side folders are even worse because of their design and it's tough trying to get any check weld out of most of them (the Vz2002) HD also posted needs more of a "chin weld." Speaking of which, those are great rifles but they are not AKs. The only component they share is the ammo. No other parts, even the magazines, are interchangeable. They even function differently, but that said, they are outstanding rifles and many say they are what the AK should have been in the first place! Lastly, I'll agree that my polymer, stamped AKs (basically my Saiga) is an easier and more comfortable rifle to shoot and carry; but there's something about the traditional wood furniture on an AK that makes it so appealing. You can even pick up BFPU furniture from APEX for some rifles, which really increase the cool factor of them! Cheers! M2

Pretty sure there was a KC-10 or 2 in with an extra 60-90K to give in RC-East!

I bet his Leaveweb paperwork got hung up in that new system and his supervisor just never got it.

Unbelievable. I would seriously like to know how things work up at AFPC. Hamsters? Darts? Ouija Board? Peyote spirits?

Easy for a retired 4-star to say -- he's probably over 62 and pulls in six figures in retirement and is completely untouched by reality.

Dismantle the Triad. Remove the bombers, downsize the silos. Subs are a go. Done. 6900 less people on PRP, the morale of entire cities just went up by orders of magnitude. Next....

Tell Mrs. Kind I'll be back on Thursday rather than Wednesday for my weekly visit! Scheduling conflicts, I'm sure she'll understand.

This is not the first time I've heard this sentiment, and I still struggle to internalize it. How is it that the "real stars making things happen for the good of the organization" don't look "good on paper"? There are many paths to success and there is no one right answer. Here is my humble viewpoint on this for the younger cats: 1) Find a few people they look up to that have made O-4 already and get their PRFs, 1a) You should look at these PRFs and go, "Holy Shit!", if you don't...find a different one. 1b) At some point along the way, you should find a few sharp O-5's (by most people's standards already a successful career) that are aiming at full bird and start doing this with theirs. 2) Starting with your very first OPR, start writing your own PRF, 2a) With each iteration, compare it to the completed PRFs you acquired from your mentors (identify the "white space" in yours that needs to be filled), 2b) With each OPR, replace weaker content with your stronger content (you are creating a super OPR that covers your career, get guidance on what PRFs look like...there are multiple versions that work). 3) Work very hard to ensure that every single OPR has something worthy of filling in that "white space"...a good OPR may have many things, 3a) By identifying the "white space" and looking at your examples, you should have an idea of what kinds of things you'll need to seek out to do 3b) Be your own person and steer towards what interests you, this will help keep your motivation and passion along the way (the military doesn't change that much though, innovation be damned). 4) Continue this until you have a PRF that's as good, if not better, than your mentor's to meet your board with. 4a) Many people think that doing a good job in what you're handed is enough. If you only do what is asked of you, you will be successful...but, you will NEVER fulfill your potential. This is why you don't want "endless potential" written on your shit. It says you could, but you don't. 5) If you are a "real star that is making things happen for the good of the organization", and you don't look good on paper...you may be a "real star", but you are also likely an idiot. At a minimum, people in the know have seriously let you down along the way. A lot of your peers found (likely sought out) people that did no such things. You must do well at the things that are tasked to you, you must go beyond the minimum, and you must seek out opportunity. If you do not, do not complain about being in a situation where no one gives two shits if your PRF for the next board has a narrative or not. If you do everything you can, and it still doesn't work out...shut up and enjoy your paycheck flying the line and teaching the young guys (there are plenty of guys who won't get continuation or get tossed to the curb just shy of the finish line). Bendy

Great post, Hoss. I'm on my cell so I'm not going to go crazy snipping quotes, but you backed a lot of your post up with actual data--somethjng that a lot of people who get emotional about this discussion fail to do. The only thing we can't control are senior raters failing to make that quality cut of who their real stars are making things happen for the good of the organization and who simply looks good on paper.

Good Lord! "Giant 4241, confirm you know what airport you are at now?" $20 says they had to turn on their cell phones and use Google Maps to find out where they really were. UFB.

Came to post a joke, you beat me to it!

Had he made approx 1 more error, it would have *sucked*....

Why not have a Roth IRA? Xaaraman why do you recommend doing a TSP on your on, I've heard that the fees were really low? If you don't know much about investing couldn't you loose money? And do you recommend target retirement fund over TSP?

Look, everyone needs to just take a deep breath and relax. This delay is a good thing. Have faith that the personnelists in the Pentagon are taking a second look at the $$ and AFSCs involved based on the ever-changing fiscal realities. You may not be required for VSP selection and (consequently) have the opportunity to continue serving your country! In through the nose....out through the mouth....everything will be ok....

I hear you, but transparency can be dangerous too (at times when rumor control is difficult). Trust Brig Gen Grosso- I promise you, she is a leader of great character who has the Air Force's best interest at heart, as should we all (core value #2). Patience my friend, patience. Reference my post above.