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Make one of them fall in love with you. Move in together after graduation, then get married. After a few years leave with half his stuff, but leave a can of tuna and the wrench. It'll be great; you could even get his mother in on the joke.

Since you have to come here to get funny ideas, why not just cook your class a nice dinner?

Based on this comment I think it was a valid award...no need for retaliation.

Panetta: Any retirement changes won't affect serving military "People who have come into the service, who have put their lives on the line, who have been deployed to the war zones, who fought for this country, who have been promised certain benefits for that -- I'm not going to break faith with what's been promised to them," Panetta said

Pics may help.

These guys make me proud to be in the AF. 69% of everyone else makes me ashamed.

What's wrong with Air Force? 1. Misplaced focus. 2. A culture which allows support personnel to think their job is the mission. 3. A greater amount of time spent bitching about problems rather than working solutions. 4. Not enough helicopter guys in leadership roles.

How about, if you have to mention being read in on an open board, you're doing it wrong...

WTF!? That doesn't look like the GD kitchen!

Place an open can of tuna fish in each one of their lockers before you leave.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeoivSlqz4w

You never know. Go for it. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/09/dc-camera-ticket-overturned-over-accuracy-doubts/ Cheers, Barney

You should retaliate by having some tuna sandwiches ready for them. It needed to be said.

Holy shit dude, my only point originally is that airpower is fighting in some places where US ground forces are not. I'm not trying to dip into the 'supported vs. supporting' battle; obviously we are there only to support the dude on the ground in OEF/OIF and I'm proud of it. But there is no US dude on the ground in Libya and a few other spots (both historically and currently) so from a US perspective those wars are an air show and we should be proud of that too; it's cool we can help our bro's in OEF and also cool we can have an effect on our own elsewhere. The whole conversation turned towards the chaff after that, which is probably my fault and unfortunately my ignoring it didn't make it stop. Let's just leave this alone, not the point here at all and who gives a fuck anyway? Supported vs. supporting is an ego black hole, I care about killing the enemy and winning. Back to the topic, our problem is twofold. First, leadership that cares about stuff other than the mission at the expense of the mission. I don't have an issue with uniform regs, except when they become elevated to the level of 3-1 knowledge. When the CC is coded UP on the orders but seems to know exactly how high my zipper should be zipped, he's a tool and unfit to command. Several people have expressed that essential truth in different ways. Secondly and perhaps more important, a broken promotion/evaluation system that frequently puts those types in charge; who then metastasize by promoting those who embrace their philosophy.

Great first post! I see nothing wrong with your comments, perhaps if you expressed this to your class they'd be more amicable. Good luck at UPT.

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Talon dudes are goobers.

I'd say this is the third 'period of insanity' I've seen in my time in. The first was in the late 80s. I was sitting in FTD class at Barksdale with a lot of other guys who just showed up from tech school. The instructor comes in, looks at all of us, and asks, "who wants to get out?" Three guys raised their hands, all had just reported from 6-9 month schools, and were out of Big Blue within a month. Guess what? The rest of us had to do Rivet Workforce CDCs and pick up their slack. The 'Peace Dividend' was probably not the first example of AF 'slam-slam' personnel management, but it was the first one I was personally involved in. The second was the late 90s 'crud' that bit a lot of us. Endless OPC/ONW/OSW deployments, shrinking dollars, pilots flocking to the airlines, etc. In Polifka, a FAIP asks the SECAF how much longer they would have to work six-day weeks because of shortages of personnel, and the guy on stage goes on a rant on how tough it was to run his private law practice. We booed him off the stage (love that 'academic' setting), and were bitched out for disrespecting him (with a wink from the instructors). Leadership just didn't seem to 'get it'. Of course, Groundhog Day ended in '01. The third started a few years back when the 'Support our Troops' magnetic decals on cars started to fade, and the country began to get 'war fatigue'. The military got it, too, as we began to forget about the mission and came up with ways to keep the troops on their toes - reflective belts in combat zones, uniform changes every five minutes and copying the other services' bad ideas, and otherwise nagging queep that has made us all bitter as hell. Big Blue has been demonstrating to a nauseating degree on how style reigns over content. Terminal in November - good luck to all of you that have to work your way out of this one. I'll tell you now, this one is the worst by far, and it will take years to crawl out of it. Short list: 1. There are Bronze Stars and there are Bronze Stars. Hey SNCOs and O6s/GOs...some of us know the difference. 2. Green Days...who the fuck are you kidding about 'saving energy'? 3. PT gear...enough said. 4. PT until you drop...permanent injuries are not worth it guys, even the 10% disability I'll get from a bum foot. 5. Ducking responsibility and making rank - sure, it's common on the outside, but I once thought we were different. My mistake.

Do not listen to this guy! Grab this bull by the horns and powerslam it through a truth table!

We can discuss hypothetical wars if you want...but right now, the mission is an 18-year-old with a rifle.

I could give less than two shits. Turn your autopilot on, give me my gas and go ###### off and enjoy your hardship deployment to Dafra.

New scope. SWFA SS 10x42.

AT-6 seems like a better design. Putting the eye ahead of the exhaust shroud should improve visibilty greatly.

While I was just sitting around eating my Starkist Y'all made intentional innuendos; I get the jist Y'all gave me shit for my tuna But now it's my time to turn around and impugn ya Frankly I am tired of carrying around this tool So I am about to pass it on to the next fool

AT-6 on the video, Super Tucano on the picture for comparison...

Fail.

This shit again? Who the fuck cares...I vote all this dick measuring about "supporting" vs "supported" is killing this thread right now.

AT-6 dry lake bed Why is it that the following gear looks to me far less scary? But then again, what do I know?...

I need help thinking of my retaliation against the guys in my class next week. I received the "tool" award this week during my fourth week at UPT. Basically, the class presented a case for me because of comments I made about the tuna fish I ate and talked about. When I referred to my "tuna" and the way it "smelled," you can just IMAGINE what that did for me. Yes I am a female. Yeah, never living that comment down. Even though I rocked my solo and there were other guys who did some really stupid things on their solos, I still get the "tool" award for my comment. Soooo- I have to carry around a big metal wrench with a chain on it all next week and they have to steal it from me and try to hide it. All this while I am trying to get ready for my mid-phase check ride. Part of the humor here at UPT. Now- what are some good things I can come up with when I have to "retaliate" next week? I have to go in front of the class and make a poem or rhyme about someone and come back so that someone else has to wear the tool. I am thinking of making fun of stupid things they do all day or the food they bring, or all the sick things they "so to speak." I could start it with "I may eat my starkist, but when I eat my Starkist at least I don't do this or that....." I can't hink of anything more creative! Help!