Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:28 PM
Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:44 PM
Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:50 PM
Either way, don't worry about it and do your best. Unless you're really not meant to be there, you'll make it. I'm not saying you'll get your 1st choice, but you will graduate.
Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:51 PM
Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:58 PM
I wouldnt worry about the washout rate. 1 guy washed out of our class. 1 guy washed back to the next class, and another guy almost made it back to the flight we started in he washed back so many times. So whats that tell you?? Well besically that if you want to be there, put in the effort, and give it your all you will make it through.
Good Luck to you
[ 27. February 2006, 21:59: Message edited by: Sneedro ]
Posted 27 February 2006 - 11:20 PM
Good inputs from some UPT/FTU/MWS instructors out on the line!
Nuts, where's that "patting myself on the back" emoticon/graemlin? I thought he was right next to the 'whipping' one last time I looked... Hmmmm... Suspicious...
And, "2" for Berg's recc post (sts), that should be your starting point to develop UPT SA...
[ 27. February 2006, 22:58: Message edited by: Hydro130 ]
Posted 28 February 2006 - 12:04 AM
Dont go in there saying I am going to fly the KC-10 (because EVERYONE wants to fly that sexy b!tch :D )
I would say 10% +/- a few % washout, but it's not consistant.
Posted 28 February 2006 - 05:29 AM
but would like to know what the average washout rate is. I've yet to get a good answer.
- "Over the last several years, UPT attrition rates have been steady at about 22%." (Source: "Group Differences on US Air Force Pilot Selection Tests", Thomas R. Carretta, 1997)
- A report which was looking at the impact of T-3/IFT showed that initial classes going though UPT after the cancallation of the T-3 program (1998 time frame) saw an increase in attrition from 6% to 19%. (Source: "The pre-Pilots Fly Again", Air Force Magazine, June 1999 Vol. 82, No. 6)
- The "US Air Force Pilot Selection and Training Methods" study by Coretta in 1999 said that the washout rate from T-37s alone during the two data periods they used was between 7.8% and 8.8%.
- "Approximately 15-20% of Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT) students are eliminated each year." (Source: United States Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine (USAFSAM) website)
- FY 88 UPT attrition was 37% (Source: "Air Force Pilot Selection Assessments", Tina Strickland, Air Force Personnel Operations Agency, 2 Nov 04)
- "The academy has a 50-percent lower attrition rate for pilot training than Reserve Officer Training Corps or Officer Training School. During the moratorium, attrition rates at UPT jumped to more than 20 percent at some bases." (Source: 'The Officer' Magazine Sept, 2001 by Jennifer Brugman)
- "Without the benefit of T-3 flight screening, attrition rates for SUPT climbed above 15 percent. The Air Force considers an 8 to 10 percent attrition rate acceptable." (Source: "AF replaces T-3 flying program", Air Force News Service, 13 Oct 1999)
- "General Welser said the Air Force's goal with the expanded IFT was to maintain an acceptable attrition rate. "Over the period of time we've been doing IFT vs. the T-3, we're finding the attrition rates within 1 percent of each other," he said. "7.8 percent for the T-3 and 8.8 percent for IFT." (Source: "AF replaces T-3 flying program", Air Force News Service, 13 Oct 1999)
Posted 28 February 2006 - 08:30 AM
Don't go to UPT with a percentage in your melon. You will have other things to worry about. Go there with a good work/study ethic, a great attitude, and use the desire that go you in the program, to get you to your wings.
Posted 28 February 2006 - 09:44 AM
we have made sacrifices to get here. A lot is riding on my earning those wings.
Just go in ready to learn. Help your classmates. Ask questions. Soak it up like a sponge. That's all you can do. Everything else will fall into place. Don't stress yourself out, that's the IP's job. Thousands have come before you and thousands will come after you.
About 90% of the people who wash out are either self-eliminated or medical.
Posted 28 February 2006 - 10:36 AM
Posted 28 February 2006 - 04:08 PM
Posted 28 February 2006 - 07:10 PM
Hell, my kindergarten class had a higher wash-out rate then what we're seeing today. Maybe we need to go back to some tough love.
Who's with me...
Posted 28 February 2006 - 08:07 PM
if you are retarded run a chance to wash out; if you cant handle stress well you'll def get washed
Posted 16 February 2004 - 09:24 PM
Posted 16 February 2004 - 10:11 PM
Both of them washed out due to "basic aircraft control" - they couldn't maintain the proper airspeed in the final turn, would overshoot the runway every approach, and couldn't maintain airspeed or alitutde while enroute to/from the MOA. It was very frustrating to me personally because I spent quite a bit of time chair flying with both of these guys...but it comes to the point where they have to fly the jet alone, and if your brain just doesn't process information fast enough (cross checking a/s, alt, VVI, etc) no amount of preparation will help. With enough time, I believe both of those guys could have flown fine, but UPT isn't very forgiving to slow learners.
[ 16 February 2004, 21:12: Message edited by: Bergman ]
Posted 17 February 2004 - 01:53 AM
If you wash out of pilot training, you can do just about anything else in the Air Force, but if you go kicking and screaming to your commanders review board, you're more apt to got something crappy like sitting at the bottom of a missile tube.
Posted 17 February 2004 - 02:53 AM
My class at Vance started with 26 and 21 winged. We had one Marine wash out for hooking his 89 ride. We also had one Navy guy fail three exams and another one who wasn't safe to solo. On the Air Force side, we had two med DQ and one wash. I was pretty depressed about the Navy guy who couldn't solo because I worked my ass off trying to keep him up to speed. I don't remember how many hours I spent in the links with him. Just be a team player in your class and help ANYONE who is floundering.
Posted 17 February 2004 - 11:40 AM
Our class lost beyond the normal amount of candidates. Started with 30, finished with 22.
Here is the breakdown: Flying Deficiency = 5, Self Initiated Elimination(SIE) = 1, Medical = 2... And we had 1 wash back due to recurrent sickness(hmmm), but he did eventually graduate and of the 5 flying deficiencies, 1 was in T-1's... the rest were during tweets all after solo for some reason? The SIE was right after solo - change of lifestyle if I remember correctly = new wife, new baby, etc....
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