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Facebook Photo Of Plymouth Woman At Tomb Of The Unknowns Sparks Outrage


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#21 tac airlifter

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

View Postraimius, on 21 November 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Actual punishment starts to tread the line between rightful consequences for stupidity and free speech issues.


What actual punishment has been advocated? Her employer fired her not as punishment, but because they didn't want to be associated with an idiot; she exercised her rights, they exercised theirs. She still has free speech, but she doesn't have freedom from consequences for every stupid thing she says.






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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:51 PM

The next time she does something stupid like this, she ought to show us her tits anyway......

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:56 PM

Maybe she can take comfort in this old poster:

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:06 PM

View PostLJDRVR, on 21 November 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:


Because she wasn't raised the way you and I were. She wasn't a boy scout. (And probably not a girl scout either.) Her parents, though well-meaning, probably abdicated their responsibility to the TV. She was never "shushed" by the sadistic librarians of our youth. She doesn't know the difference between a person that serves in the military and the Orkin man.

Not only is she unaware, but her background resulted in a person who is totally self-absorbed. She has long since heeded the siren call of the propagandists and really does believe that her actions make her a cool, anti-establishment free thinker.

What was that line from Blazing Saddles?

"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know;



Morons."

Look, two decades ago, I humped six mies a day through the garden (Arlington) with an M-1 on my shoulder. My first reaction would have been to buttstroke her in the face. Now? I'd like an afternoon to educate her. Show her the cemetery in the way that I know it. Let her see the section 60 picnics on the wekends. Talk to the families.

Then maybe she'd understand.


Really? She's not heard of the two major wars we've been involved in over the past decade plus? She's not seen the million news reports of servicemembers being killed or wounded over in Iraq and/or Afghanistan? She's not smart enough to realize the significance of Arlington Cemetery?

Sorry, if any of that is true, then she's a fucking idiot.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:36 AM

It seems she did it on a company sponsored trip which I am assuming gives the employer some leeway over the expectation of certain behavior from its employees while on the clock. People on TV have been fired for less.

She should participate on an assault, convoy, route clearing...give her some perspective.

Ironically, she was exercising a freedom kept secure by those she is disrespecting.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:05 AM

She doesn't need to "participate" and she has the right to free speech.

However, if she is an at will employee she can be fired without cause. Simple as that.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:18 PM

Living Independently Forever, Inc, (LIFE), who employed her, is located in Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

Massachusetts is an At Will state, meaning LIFE can fire any employee at any time for any reason, or even for no reason at all, with or without notice.

Sucks to be her, but stupid hurts!
Of all the weapons in the vast Soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:27 PM

View PostM2, on 22 November 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Living Independently Forever, Inc, (LIFE), who employed her, is located in Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

Massachusetts is an At Will state, meaning LIFE can fire any employee at any time for any reason, or even for no reason at all, with or without notice.

Sucks to be her, but stupid hurts!


As someone else said on this site, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes". She's a winner!

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:18 PM

View PostGroundbounder, on 22 November 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

As someone else said on this site, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes". She's a winner!


Yep, from her employer yesterday:

"We wish to announce that the two employees recently involved in the Arlington Cemetery incident are no longer employees of LIFE. Again, we deeply regret any disrespect to members of the military and their families. The incident and publicity has been very upsetting to the learning disabled population we serve. To protect our residents, any comments, however well-intentioned, will be deleted. We appreciate your concern and understanding as we focus on the care of our community."

View PostChuck17, on 16 March 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

This is a non-idea from non-thinking, non-operator glass-lickers at A1.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:21 PM

At least the employer has some class.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:10 AM

Hope it was worth it, dumb bitch.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:59 PM

Good read...

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by Mistress Carrie , posted Nov 20 2012 10:48PM

Over the last few days, many people have asked me what I thought about "the girl from Plymouth". You know, the one yelling and flipping off the camera at Arlington National Cemetery, in front of the sign that says Silence and Respect. Lindsey Stone is her name and if you didn't know it before, after the news tonight, you will. This story has taken on a life of it's own, and it's only getting worse for Lindsey. Her and her co-worker, who were on a business trip last month in DC, when they visited Arlington and took the photo, are now both on unpaid leave from their jobs. The organization Living Independantly Forever, had to release a statement on their Facebook page condemning the photo, and stating that their employees actions do not reflect the company, or their stance on Veterans etc. There is even a page on Facebook, asking for their firing, and it has over 10,000 "likes" already.

So, how do I feel about it? Well, up until she posted the photo on her Facebook page, and all hell broke loose, I think Lindsey Stone was one of the luckiest people on the planet.

First, she is a woman, born in the U.S.A.., which the odds are against in the grand scheme of things. She could have been born in Afghanistan, China, or in the Congo, where she would have led a very different life. She could have been born in N. Korea, or Iran where I'm sure they do not look kindly at disrespecting their war heroes. Here in the U.S.A.., what she did isn't a crime, it's protected by the First Amendment.

Second, in one of the most tragic economies America has ever seen, Lindsey is employed, at what looks like an amazing organization, that is really helping people and changing the world for the better. How many of us can say that about where we work?

And finally Lindsey, judging by her actions alone, has made it through life without knowing anyone in uniform. That has to be the case right? I mean, how could she have family who has served in previous wars and do what she did? Or, how could she know someone now that is currently serving, after 10+ years of war and terror, and make the trip to Arlington and do what she did?

She's never had to say goodbye, or cry herself to sleep worrying. She's never packed a care package, or written a love letter to someone far away. She's never had to pray for a Skype call, or be afraid of the doorbell in the middle of the night. She's never had to see someone she loves go and look evil in the eye, only to come home a different person.

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And most importantly, she's never attended a funeral, where a flag is given to a crying widow, or mother "On behalf of a grateful nation".

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She doesn't know anyone buried at Arlington, except for the few that she learned about in school like JFK. She probably doesn't even know what Section 60 is.

How lucky for her!

She's part of the 99% that don't have someone they love, in harms way. How amazing for her. Up until a month ago, Lindsey Stone was living the American dream. The dream where Memorial Day and Veterans Day means long weekends off for BBQing, beer drinking, and good deals on new cars. Up until a month ago, Lindsey Stone wasn't afraid. Now, as the hours go by, she learns more and more that her "innocent" joke, wasn't a joke at all. Somehow, she made it through the gates at Arlington, and wasn't overcome with the sadness and loss that everyone else feels. But, now she feels sadness and loss... and regret too I bet.

When I first saw that photo, I thought it was a photo shopped joke, or a cruel prank. I even gave her the benefit of the doubt that she could be the victim in all of this. That someone took her picture and put it in front of that sign, to try and make her look bad. Obviously, that is not the case. This photo will follow her for the rest of her life. Every time she applies for a job, or applies for a loan it will come up. When her kids Google their Mom, that will be the first picture they see. Her name will be remembered, and she'll be treated differently by anyone who remembers... forever.

She released a statement on Facebook saying that it was a joke, and that they were just acting like "douchebags"...and that they meant no disrespect. Lindsey, you're right... you were acting like douchebags. You came up with the idea for the picture, you took the picture, and then you posted the picture online, and at no time did you think for a second... THIS ISN'T A GOOD IDEA!?! How comfy that little bubble that you live in must be!

Do I think that Lindsey Stone is the most evil person in the world? No! I am confident that there are people way more evil than she is. Arlington is filled with the bodes of those who died fighting that evil.

Do I think she is one of the dumbest? Yes, she probably is.

Like I said, up until she posted that picture, Lindsey Stone was one of the luckiest people on the planet...

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Of all the weapons in the vast Soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars.
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:40 PM

I wonder what the author of the above article does in her spare time...

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:51 PM

Who knew that "Mistress Carrie" could put it so eloquently?

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

View PostBobby, on 23 November 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

I wonder what the author of the above article does in her spare time...


just what her name implies....















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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:25 PM

View Postday man, on 23 November 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:


just what her name implies....















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I may be wrong, but that looks like a WSO and not a driver to me....
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:35 PM

it was a joke...she's a radio host.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:39 PM

I don't think her blog post was a joke, but her as a mil-type is definitely not true.

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In August of 2008, I was given the opportunity to take an orientation flight in an F-15 fighter jet with the Mass. Air National Guard. After my flight, I was awarded a tactical callsign from the pilots, an honor for a civilian... Callsign: NARKO

Looks like that pic was from an incentive ride with the 131st in a light grey. I think this pic is a little more accurate:

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Edited by nsplayr, 23 November 2012 - 03:40 PM.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:53 PM

Barnes is giving call signs to civilians now? WTF happened to that place?
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:17 PM

I don't give a shit what Mistress Carrie does for a living, she hit the nail on the head.
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