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Facebook Photo Of Plymouth Woman At Tomb Of The Unknowns Sparks Outrage


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#1 Fuzz

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:13 AM

Suprised this hasn't made it here yet:

http://boston.cbsloc...sparks-outrage/

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BOSTON (CBS) – Two women have been placed on unpaid leave from their jobs after their photo at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia angered thousands of people on Facebook. Lindsey Stone was visiting the Tomb of the Unknowns last month on a business trip when she posed for a picture next to a sign that reads “silence and respect.” In the photo, Stone is pretending to yell and she’s showing her middle finger. The photo, taken by co-worker Jamie Schuh, went viral and sparked anger among veterans. “I can understand why veterans would be all upset over this,” says Edward LeBlanc who was in the Air Force for 20 years and served two tours in Vietnam. “It’s disrespectful, she’s telling us to go “F” ourselves and I don’t think that’s real bright and good for anybody.” Some angry comments were posted on the Facebook page of their employer, Living Independently Forever, Inc.,(LIFE) a non-profit organization in Hyannis that helps adults with disabilities on Cape Cod.

The uproar forced the organization to post this statement Tuesday afternoon:
“On Nov. 19 at approximately 6 p.m., we became aware that one of our employees had posted an offensive, inappropriate photograph on her personal Facebook page. The photo was taken at a national historic site in October by a fellow employee during a trip to Washington, D.C. attended by 40 residents and eight staff. The photo has since been removed from Facebook, and both employees have been placed on unpaid leave pending the results of an internal investigation.
This photograph in no way reflects the opinions or values of the LIFE organization, which holds our nation’s veterans in the highest regard. We are proud to have veterans serving on our staff and board of trustees, and we value their service. The men and women who have selflessly fought and sacrificed their lives to protect the rights and lives of Americans deserve our utmost respect and gratitude. We are acutely aware that this photo has done a disservice to veterans and we are deeply saddened that it was taken and shared in a public medium.”

Stone and Schuh would not comment on camera, but released a statement late Tuesday night:

“We sincerely apologize for all the pain we have caused by posting the picture we took in Washington DC on Facebook. While posted on a public forum, the picture was intended only for our own amusement. We never meant any disrespect to any of the people nationwide who have served this country and defended our freedom so valiantly. It was meant merely as a visual pun, intending to depict the exact opposite of what the sign said, and had absolutely nothing to do with the location it was taken or the people represented there. We never meant to cause any harm or disrespect to anyone, particularly our men and women in uniform. We realize it was in incredibly poor taste, and are deeply sorry for the offense we have caused.
We would also like to apologize to LIFE, Inc. It is an amazing organization that provides invaluable services to adults with learning and developmental disabilities. We are beyond remorseful that our actions have caused them such undue public scrutiny. The disrespect implied by our picture has nothing at all to do with LIFE’s mission statement or values. We regret having caused any suffering to the staff members, residents, families and friends.
Again, we very sincerely apologize to everyone who took offense to the photo. We realize that it was an ignorant and distasteful thing for us to do, but we truly meant no harm. We are deeply sorry. – Lindsey Stone and Jamie Schuh”

Lindsey’s father Peter spoke with WBZ-TV about the incident. “She had no intention of upsetting or offending anyone,” says Peter Stone. “It was poor judgment and she regrets every part of it.” Peter says Lindsey loved her job, but there are consequences for every action. “That was a private page,” he says. “She was goofing around and it got taken off the page.” “She is very, very sorry for what she did,” says her mother Jeanne, “and she never meant it to be disrespectful to anybody.”
Sarah Wunsch, a Staff Attorney with the ACLU of Massachusetts does not think the women should not lose their jobs over the photo. “Other people have the right to say, ‘I think she’s a jerk or she’s disrespectful.’ I suppose they have the right to call for her to be fired,” says Wunsch. “But it doesn’t mean the employer should give into that.” “Offensiveness shouldn’t be the standard for what gets to be able to be said, because what’s offensive to you may not be offensive to me and vice versa,” says Wunsch. Lindsey’s father says he understands why people are offended. “I don’t think she was reacting to the site (Arlington Cemetery), she was reacting to the sign,” he says. “I’m appalled myself.”


There's also a Facebook page calling for here to be fired:

https://www.facebook...303141669801170

View PostChuck17, on 16 March 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

This is a non-idea from non-thinking, non-operator glass-lickers at A1.






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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:17 AM

Seems to be an over-reaction to me, as it seems there was no intent to show disrespect to anyone. Just a lapse of judgement that went viral. Gee, I've never done that.

And yet another reason to avoid Facebook like the plague.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:18 AM

View PostHuggyu2, on 21 November 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

Seems to be an over-reaction to me, as it seems there was no intent to show disrespect to anyone. Just a lapse of judgement that went viral. Gee, I've never done that.

And yet another reason to avoid Facebook like the plague.


Couldn't agree more.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:22 AM

View PostBobby, on 21 November 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

Couldn't agree more.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:28 AM

Ugh.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:49 AM

She and her parents should be bitch slapped.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:26 AM

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:49 AM

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View PostVertigo, on 06 May 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

but that's not what you asked. So... I'm an ass.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:52 AM

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Sarah Wunsch, a Staff Attorney with the ACLU of Massachusetts does not think the women should not lose their jobs over the photo. “Other people have the right to say, ‘I think she’s a jerk or she’s disrespectful.’ I suppose they have the right to call for her to be fired,” says Wunsch. “But it doesn’t mean the employer should give into that.” “Offensiveness shouldn’t be the standard for what gets to be able to be said, because what’s offensive to you may not be offensive to me and vice versa,” says Wunsch.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:03 PM

What's next? Are they going to put out a Fatwa on the kids? Boneheaded to be sure but the political correctness is getting out of hand...their resolute statement of apology is heartfelt and honest.....blame the education system and the parents for a lack of nationalistic pride training!
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:18 PM

What a shame she lost her job. This falls less under the umbrella of disrespecting the dead (I honestly think she doesn't have a clue.) and more under the stupidity of social media.

Facebook is a huge threat.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:34 PM

View PostLJDRVR, on 21 November 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

(I honestly think she doesn't have a clue.)

How is that possible? Seriously, how can that be possible?

We have been at war for over 10 years. There are constant reminders everywhere (thankfully and rightfully) about the sacrifices people are making. How is it even thinkable that they wouldn't have a clue about being respectful at Arlington?

A big mistake? Yes.

Total ignorance to the fact that they were being disrespectful? No way.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:03 PM

View PostLJDRVR, on 21 November 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

(I honestly think she doesn't have a clue.)


After the tremendously negative reaction to the photo, she Facebook-messaged on October 20:[indent]
"Whoa whoa whoa… wait. This is just us, being the douchebags that we are, challenging authority in general. Much like the pic posted the night before, of me smoking right next to a no smoking sing. OBVIOUSLY we meant NO disrespect to people that serve or have served our country."[/indent]

View PostChuck17, on 16 March 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

This is a non-idea from non-thinking, non-operator glass-lickers at A1.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:48 PM

View PostRainman A-10, on 21 November 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

How is that possible? Seriously, how can that be possible?



You've been around the civilian populace more than a lot of us. Are you really that surprised that many, many of our neighbors, teachers, co-workers, family, etc. are either not aware of, or choose to ignore the constant reminders you speak of? Sad, and true.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:15 PM

View PostProzac, on 21 November 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

You've been around the civilian populace more than a lot of us. Are you really that surprised that many, many of our neighbors, teachers, co-workers, family, etc. are either not aware of, or choose to ignore the constant reminders you speak of? Sad, and true.


I met a 50 year old couple on vacation last week. Nice people. They told me I was the first active duty military person they had ever met and, although they were against the war (of course), they would love to hear my opinions. Another couple, in their 40's, said it was a unique opportunity to talk with someone who had been "over there" because the war was just something they saw on the news sometimes.

That being said, this picture is just another example of America's short attention span for anything that makes people feel better about themselves. It'll pass in a few days.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:27 PM

Chicks did something stupid and were made to know it. They seem to understand what they did. Mob rule and the tendency to call for the executioner whenever a "Stop liking something I don't like!" situation arises continues to frighten me.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:32 PM

View PostRainman A-10, on 21 November 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

How is that possible? Seriously, how can that be possible?

We have been at war for over 10 years. There are constant reminders everywhere (thankfully and rightfully) about the sacrifices people are making. How is it even thinkable that they wouldn't have a clue about being respectful at Arlington?

A big mistake? Yes.

Total ignorance to the fact that they were being disrespectful? No way.


Because she wasn't raised the way you and I were. She wasn't a boy scout. (And probably not a girl scout either.) Her parents, though well-meaning, probably abdicated their responsibility to the TV. She was never "shushed" by the sadistic librarians of our youth. She doesn't know the difference between a person that serves in the military and the Orkin man.

Not only is she unaware, but her background resulted in a person who is totally self-absorbed. She has long since heeded the siren call of the propagandists and really does believe that her actions make her a cool, anti-establishment free thinker.

What was that line from Blazing Saddles?

"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know;



Morons."

Look, two decades ago, I humped six mies a day through the garden (Arlington) with an M-1 on my shoulder. My first reaction would have been to buttstroke her in the face. Now? I'd like an afternoon to educate her. Show her the cemetery in the way that I know it. Let her see the section 60 picnics on the wekends. Talk to the families.

Then maybe she'd understand.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:15 PM

Ok.

However...I'm not giving her a free pass.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:51 PM

Meh, I think being nationally known as a disrespectful idiot is probably enough. Actual punishment starts to tread the line between rightful consequences for stupidity and free speech issues.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:21 PM

I didn't say she should lose her job. I am just saying I'm not going to give her a pass for being too stupid to not know she was being disrespectful.

She knew.
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