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[2xAGM114]

I'm within a few months of separating from AD and transitioning to a TR position. Two questions:

-Once I'm out-processed AD and on terminal leave, can I swear into the ANG before my terminal leave is complete?

-Can I attend training with the ANG while on terminal leave?

Thanks.

[matmacwc]

I wasn't allowed to do either of them. You do want to swear in the day after your official separation date so there is no break in service.

[Rainman A-10]

Exactly correct.

[F16Rooster]

Agreed but there is a window for the date of your swearing-in. In other words, you may swear in up to 1 week (that number is fictitious) after your separation and then they just back date the paperwork to the day after you separated from AD.

[matmacwc]

Technically, you are wrong unless you like to falsefy paperwork......I think.

[Rainman A-10]

2xAGM114, on 01 January 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

-Can I attend training with the ANG while on terminal leave?

What kind of training are you trying to do?

F16Rooster, on 02 January 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

Agreed but there is a window for the date of your swearing-in. In other words, you may swear in up to 1 week (that number is fictitious) after your separation and then they just back date the paperwork to the day after you separated from AD.

Now you're talking the kind of crazy Guard shit that gets people in trouble.

[F16Rooster]

Rainman A-10, on 02 January 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

Now you're talking the kind of crazy Guard shit that gets people in trouble.

Perhaps. I'm just going on personal experience. However, that experience was with a recruiter...nuff said.

[2xAGM114]

Training is transition training into a new airframe, different than the one I fly now.

[Rainman A-10]

F16Rooster, on 02 January 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

Perhaps. I'm just going on personal experience. However, that experience was with a recruiter...nuff said.

I'm not doubting it happened with you or happens today. I'm just saying it is more Goofy Grape Guard bullshit that can get people into trouble if they get caught. You don't even know it is not the right thing to do because you were likely told "it's not big deal, this is how we do it in the Guard." However, it is exactly that kind of shit that gives the Guard a bad name with the active duty and gives folks in the Pentagon the ammunition to go after the iron.

2xAGM114, on 02 January 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Training is transition training into a new airframe, different than the one I fly now.

Are you talking about starting in a different FTU class than you are currently scheduled to attend?

It might be possible to do this while you are still on AD but I am not sure. I know you cannot fly while on leave, you should know that, too so you would have to forgo some terminal leave and sell it instead. There are rules and permissions for AD guys flying Guard jets that I can't exactly remember but I know AD guys do fly Guard airplanes (other than deployed). It may also be a funding issue but that can also probably be legally resolved.

The real question is, are you trying to do this because it is more convenient for you or because it makes perfect sense and failure to act would result in a significant delay in FTU training.

[matmacwc]

The units just trade hours, thats how they go back and forth between AD and ANG.

[Rainman A-10]

matmacwc, on 02 January 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

The units just trade hours, thats how they go back and forth between AD and ANG.

I'm not talking about shit downrange. I'm talking about an AD guy that shows up at an ANG unit to fly sorties in ANG jets.

[2xAGM114]

To answer the question, this is a completely new airframe to me and I do not have a firm class date yet. Just a job offer. I have 90+ days of leave to burn and I'm deployed. Planning to begin out-processing as soon as I can, and also want to avoid selling leave back. If the class date the guard assigns me is beyond my DOS, no issues. If it's sooner, then the creative use of leave begins.

If anyone has experience with this, please chime in.

Edited by 2xAGM114, 03 January 2012 - 09:03 AM.

[Rainman A-10]

Have you already established a separation date or not?

This isn't rocket science. All your training dates should be based on your DOS, which you should choose based on the best timing for available FTU slots. The Guard unit needs to plan ahead to get an FTU slot, typically they are limited and everyone is competing for them although it is sometimes possible to trade among units. I cannot imagine any unit would randomly get an FTU slot and hope it works out...and if they do I would suggest you stay away from that unit.

It looks to me like you are asking questions on the internet that you should be asking the unit. Are you talking to them?

[2xAGM114]

Yep, just haven't heard back due to the Christmas break. I do have a DOS, picked based on CTO + Permissive + out-processing + Leave.

[Fudge]

My local reserve recruiter has said that when going into the reserves from AD, you no longer have to (re) swear in. She said this changed back in September or October (I don't remember which month).

[Hair Teeth & Eyeballs]

Going to the guard, they can't sumbit your package for approval to the guard bureau until that unit has "gained" you. They can't get training dates until you are approved. We have a guy in our unit from active duty that just took a lump sum payout of his leave to get the process rolling faster. Hope this helps.

[Cap-10]

I'm in the process of Palace Chasing from AD to Reserves as a TR...here's what my ISR told me:

- With regards to swearing in, must swear in the day after your DOS to ensure no break in service.

- Getting DOS established takes 69 great miracles (much like a sucessful AIM-7 shot).....can't outprocess (finance, TMO, etc) until I get my separation orders...no orders until my DOS is approved....can't get DOS approval until my assignment has been matched....matching doesn't occur until I have been "gained" at the Reserve Unit....gaining only occurs once the "hire package" has run the wickets at the unit.

- I was told my big picture timeline was: DOS in Apr, in-process unit in May, go to PIT in June.

Good luck!

Cheers,

Cap-10

[Jaded]

How many months did you get shaved off with the Palace Chase?

[Cap-10]

Jaded, on 27 March 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

How many months did you get shaved off with the Palace Chase?

Jaded,

Sorry for the delay (apparently I've been slacking with my baseops checking...).

I got 2 months shaved off...I had (still have technically) a line number to Lt Col, but was trying to separate while still an O-4 due to the number of O-4 AGR spots at my new unit (6-9) compated to the 1 Lt Col AGR (CC or DO).

Good Luck!

Cheers,

Cap-10

[matmacwc]

Cap-10, on 14 April 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Jaded,

Sorry for the delay (apparently I've been slacking with my baseops checking...).

I got 2 months shaved off...I had (still have technically) a line number to Lt Col, but was trying to separate while still an O-4 due to the number of O-4 AGR spots at my new unit (6-9) compated to the 1 Lt Col AGR (CC or DO).

Good Luck!

Cheers,

Cap-10

So you came off AD and competed for the DO or CC slot because you were a LtCol select? In most books thats a dick move into the AFRES/ANG, did you really jump over other dudes that had been there longer and may have had the resume to compete for it? OR did you mean to say compared.....If so , disregard everything after hey you.