Everyone is tired of the whole "Muslim terrorist" cliche' anyways right?
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Posted 03 December 2011 - 09:04 PM
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made so and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill
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Posted 03 December 2011 - 09:11 PM
But I thought the Russians were our friends?
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 12:34 AM
I don't get the point here--are the Russians going to come streaming across the Fulda Gap because Putin is coming back?
Edited by PapaJu, 04 December 2011 - 12:43 PM.
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 04:27 AM
PapaJu, on 04 December 2011 - 12:34 AM, said:
I don't get the point here--are the Russians going to coming streaming across the Fulda Gap because Putin is coming back?
I hope not, Im only a couple hour drive from Fulda.
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 09:08 AM
PapaJu, on 04 December 2011 - 12:34 AM, said:
I don't get the point here--are the Russians going to coming streaming across the Fulda Gap because Putin is coming back?
Hog Heaven!
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 09:37 AM
Bring it!
Of all the weapons in the vast Soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars.
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:23 AM
Rainman A-10, on 04 December 2011 - 09:08 AM, said:
Hog Heaven!
But sadly, there is only one A-10 squadron in the theater vs. how many in the late 80's?
I think Bentwaters/Woodbridge had at least 4.
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:24 AM
Red Fox, on 04 December 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:
But sadly, there is only one A-10 squadron in the theater vs. how many in the late 80's?
I think Bentwaters/Woodbridge had at least 4.
I think Bentwaters/Woodbridge had at least 4.
Six. RAF Alconbury had 2.
Still, Hog Heaven.
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 02:44 PM
PapaJu, on 04 December 2011 - 12:34 AM, said:
I don't get the point here--are the Russians going to come streaming across the Fulda Gap because Putin is coming back?
more than likely they'll storm the BX/PX to buy Bugle Boy jeans and Dell computers
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 08:10 PM
Cold war? No problem. Especially if we can get some of our funding back.
Stupidity is like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil...and you don't want to get it on you.
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 12:59 AM
Nope, our CINC is going to continue to push the budget cuts yet ask us to fight Cold War 2.0 as well as 6-9 "oversea contingency operations." It's ok, we have TIB "warriors" to save the day.
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 12:07 PM
Probably won't be any Hogs in Europe when this kicks off...
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 07:19 PM
"Putin has one overriding objective: the creation of a third, post-tsarist, post-Soviet Russian empire".
The way this administration has us headed, we don't have to worry about it....we'll be part of it!
The way this administration has us headed, we don't have to worry about it....we'll be part of it!
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 01:41 PM
Vetter, on 05 December 2011 - 12:07 PM, said:
Probably won't be any Hogs in Europe when this kicks off...
But the good news is it only takes a couple weeks for Hogs to cross the pond and we have a bigger buffer between us and Ivan than we used to.
Time to get your LASDT and LOWAT currencies up to date and dust off the LAU-88A/As. You probably want to get comfortable with MNVR flaps in case you need to slow down to fight under the wx.
It'll be fine, you'll see.
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 02:52 PM
Every day Im in Europe I stop and ask myself "how the hell did we ever plan to fight WWIII over here in this Theatre we sure couldnt do it now if we had too."
-The weather that can be counted on to be IMC from the floor to 3K that never seems to burn off.
-Units that dont even know who has the keys to their arms room much less that ability to get into it without it taking 2 days notice
-Contract services that work around German working hours, 2 hour lunches, and holidays you've never heard of (they also take your holidays off too)
-No organic movement capability within the military its self. Seriously if the Germans driving our trucks dont show up with their own cranes we cant move anything that wont fit in the back of an LMTV
-A military that has no flexibility in planning but to spend 3 days arguing over powerpoint slides and bitching that the kneeboard packet isnt thick enough so it must not have enough of the "right products."
Not to say it wouldnt be fun to have a real fight down amongst the trees for the role my aircraft was designed for. But if Ivan really was sitting across that border with any kind of force and they did load up and start rolling, even from the Russian border they'd be in Cologne before we finally got people to stop typing the CONOPs on power point and load the god damn birds.
-The weather that can be counted on to be IMC from the floor to 3K that never seems to burn off.
-Units that dont even know who has the keys to their arms room much less that ability to get into it without it taking 2 days notice
-Contract services that work around German working hours, 2 hour lunches, and holidays you've never heard of (they also take your holidays off too)
-No organic movement capability within the military its self. Seriously if the Germans driving our trucks dont show up with their own cranes we cant move anything that wont fit in the back of an LMTV
-A military that has no flexibility in planning but to spend 3 days arguing over powerpoint slides and bitching that the kneeboard packet isnt thick enough so it must not have enough of the "right products."
Not to say it wouldnt be fun to have a real fight down amongst the trees for the role my aircraft was designed for. But if Ivan really was sitting across that border with any kind of force and they did load up and start rolling, even from the Russian border they'd be in Cologne before we finally got people to stop typing the CONOPs on power point and load the god damn birds.
Edited by Lawman, 06 December 2011 - 03:03 PM.
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 02:55 PM
It is called atrophy. It's what happens after 20 yrs of low threat milling around at 20k.
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 03:32 PM
Rainman A-10, on 06 December 2011 - 02:55 PM, said:
It is called atrophy. It's what happens after 20 yrs of low threat milling around at 20k.
...or no threat milling around at groud level, ground speed zero focusing on everything else but flying....
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 04:53 PM
BitteEinBit, on 06 December 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:
...or no high threat milling around at groud level, ground speed zero focusing on everything else but flying....
FIFY
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 05:46 PM
No time to spare...get the A-10 line up and running again and sell the Germans all the planes they can afford. Charge them a nice fee for the upgrade training.....throw in a few weapons as a teaser......probably want to buy some tanks too. If they aren't eager to defend their territory, who is?
.................we must defend Frankfurt........anything to save Crazy Sexy...............oop's "they"
.................we must defend Frankfurt........anything to save Crazy Sexy...............oop's "they"
Edited by Alpharatz, 06 December 2011 - 05:47 PM.
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 06:41 PM
I remember hearing the estimated WW III life span of a Hawg driver was 19 tanks. Do targeting/defensive enhancements offset the threat enhancements?
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