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The End of NASA


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#1 gearpig

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 06:40 AM

And so we go, from this...



Address at Rice University on the Nation's Space Effort, September 12, 1962


To this...



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ZUBRIN: Obama readies to blast NASA

Ending planetary exploration would leave agency adrift


Word has leaked out that in its new budget, the Obama administration intends to terminate NASA's planetary exploration program. The Mars Science Lab Curiosity, being readied on the pad, will be launched, as will the nearly completed small MAVEN orbiter scheduled for 2013, but that will be it. No further missions to anywhere are planned.
After 2013, America's amazing career of planetary exploration, which ran from the Mariner probes in the 1960s through the great Pioneer, Viking, Voyager, Pathfinder, MarsGlobalSurveyor, MarsOdyssey, Spirit, Opportunity, MarsReconnaissanceOrbiter, Galileo and Cassini missions, will simply end.
Furthermore, the plan from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) also leaves the space astronomy program adrift and headed for destruction. The now-orbiting Kepler Telescope will be turned off in midmission, stopping it before it can complete its goal of finding other Earths. Even worse, the magnificent Webb Telescope, the agency's flagship, which promises fundamental breakthroughs in our understanding of the laws of the universe, is not sufficiently funded to allow successful completion. This guarantees further costly delays, with the ensuing budgetary overruns leading inevitably to eventual cancellation.

The administration's decision to derail planetary exploration and space astronomy is shocking and portends the destruction of the entire American space program. As an agency, NASA is a mixed bag. It includes a large bureaucracy and wasteful, pork-driven spending. But it also includes departments that are technically superb and really deliver the goods. First and foremost among NASA's most productive divisions are the planetary exploration and space astronomy programs. Kill those, and what is left will be indefensible.
NASA's planetary and space astronomy programs are not merely good scientific work. They are epic achievements representative of humanity's highest ideals in its search for truth. As a result of a string of successful probes sent to the Red Planet over the past 15 years, we now know for certain that Mars was once a warm and wet planet and continued to have an active hydrosphere for a period on the order of a billion years - a span fivetimes as long as the time it took for life to appear on Earth after there was liquid water here. Thus, if the theory is correct that life is a natural phenomenon emerging from chemistry wherever there is liquid water, various minerals and a sufficient period of time, life must have appeared on Mars. If we can find it, we will have good reason to believe we are not alone in the universe.

The Kepler observatory has discovered more than1,000 other solar systems, and if it's allowed to continue operating, it could well find other worlds like ours. The Hubble Space Telescope discovered that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, indicating the existence of a basic force of nature that previously was unknown. The Webb Telescope will be five times as powerful as Hubble. If it can be completed and flown, there is no telling what discoveries it could make. From the laws of gravity through nuclear fusion, many of our most important discoveries in physics were made through astronomy. We have no idea what the processes were that allowed for the creation of matter, energy and the universe. Webb might help us find out. The potential gains to humanity from such expanded knowledge are beyond calculation.

The ostensible reason for the administration's decision to kill planetary exploration and space astronomy is budgetary discipline. Yet while federal spending has grown 40 percent since 2008, NASA's funding has remained virtually the same. It is not NASA that is bankrupting America, but OMB. If the administration needs to cut budgets, it should start with those of the regulatory agencies that are strangling the nation's businesses rather than NASA, which helps the economy through scientific discoveries, technological innovation and the inspiration of youth to pursue careers in engineering. Furthermore, if there were a need to cut NASA, it would make more sense to trim almost anywhere else in the agency. Instead, the administration's goal seems to be to destroy the entire space program by hitting it in its most vital parts.

The desertion of America's great exploration enterprise is an offense against science and civilization. It represents a radical departure from the pioneer spirit, and its ratification as policy would preclude any possibility of a human future in space. It is an inexcusable decision, and it needs to be reversed.

Robert Zubrin is the president of Pioneer Astronautics and author of "The Case for Mars: The Plan to Settle the Red Planet and Why We Must" (Free Press, 2011, second edition).

Edited by gearpig, 29 October 2011 - 06:42 AM.

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#2 Ramathorn

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 09:37 AM

Luckily we have Virgin Space...?
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 11:07 AM

Great post. It just turns by stomach when I think about how it's come to this. Reprehensible.

I live in the Langley area and I worry about NASA there. I genuinely have no idea what the heck they do and how much longer they are going to be doing it. I imagine losing it would be a pretty big shock to the regional economy.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:17 PM

NASA = Not About Space Anymore. As you said, it's sad that we've gone from a country not afraid to push boundaries, just to see where it may lead, to a politically correct country that is afraid to spend a dollar, or take a chance - can't believe my son doesn't have to wear a reflective belt to school... Sure we don't have buckets of money sitting around (not that we really did during the 60's either - don't you know that there's a war on?) but if you don't invest in your future, you might not have one.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:27 PM

Robert Zubrin is a bit of a nut. He has cried about the sky falling many, many times before. I'll wait to see what the actual budget request is to pass judgement.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:53 PM

I would not say it is the end of planetary exploration. It might come to a hault for awhile and things like this should get put on the backburner while we struggle. We will not be probing Jupiter's and Saturn's atmospheres, but we will still continue exosolar planetary research. Many universities harbor professors that conduct their own research within the budget of the school. While the observatories are NASA-owned, the cost of maintaining something like Chandra is low and feasible even with deep budget cuts. Research will still go on and discoveries will still be made.

View PostRamathorn, on 29 October 2011 - 09:37 AM, said:

Luckily we have Virgin Space...?


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 02:13 PM

Turns out all he is crying about is NASA setting up a process to try and curb over budget projects:

http://www.spacenews...extensions.html

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 02:23 PM

View PostMKopack, on 29 October 2011 - 12:17 PM, said:

afraid to spend a dollar


I get what you're saying, but take a look at our national spending. We definitely have not been afraid to spend. On what and how much is certainly a topic for discussion.

Space exploration is awesome and it's certainly something that has set us apart and contributed to our hegemony.

It's just that we are broke now.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:27 AM

Apparently, we didn't advise China on how to properly manage their money. Space exploration is such a frivolous endeavor at the expense of social programs and other important gov't spending.

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China launches unmanned spacecraft

China said it successfully launched an unmanned spacecraft on Tuesday to carry out a key docking mission, taking its next step towards the goal of building its first space station by 2020.

The Shenzhou VIII blasted off from the Gobi desert in China's northwest at 5:58am (2158 GMT) before separating from its carrier rocket about 120 miles above the Earth, the state Xinhua news agency said.

Before 2016, China plans to launch a space laboratory and by around 2020 hopes to have a space station in orbit capable of accommodating long-term stays in space, officials have said.



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Posted 21 January 2012 - 01:21 AM

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 04:26 AM

Reminds me of this:

http://gizmodo.com/5...s-entire-budget

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:02 AM

7 days to the beginning of a new era in space:
http://www.gizmag.co...-engines/22352/


Maybe NASA can become more like the FAA of space.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:03 PM

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The Hubble Space Telescope discovered that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, indicating the existence of a basic force of nature that previously was unknown. The Webb Telescope will be five times as powerful as Hubble. If it can be completed and flown, there is no telling what discoveries it could make. From the laws of gravity through nuclear fusion, many of our most important discoveries in physics were made through astronomy. We have no idea what the processes were that allowed for the creation of matter, energy and the universe. Webb might help us find out. The potential gains to humanity from such expanded knowledge are beyond calculation.
The ostensible reason for the administration's decision to kill planetary exploration and space astronomy is budgetary discipline. Yet while federal spending has grown 40 percent since 2008, NASA's funding has remained virtually the same. It is not NASA that is bankrupting America, but OMB. If the administration needs to cut budgets, it should start with those of the regulatory agencies that are strangling the nation's businesses rather than NASA,


You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that NASA is far more important to the success of America than countless other programs that receive budget funds. Strangling our scientific exploration (don't think of NASA as just outer space, think of all the extenuating benefits their research brings to other fields of study) is not the way to bring our country back to the glory years. Cutting government waste is. What about the plethora of entitlement programs? What about un-winnable wars? What about plasma TVs, uniform changes, and flying empty cargo jets around the world? What about all the people suckling the gubment's tit, not putting in an honest day's work for their pay, day in and day out (like the majority of GS jobs.) What about government corruption at every level?

I don't know if this guy is chicken little or not, but the very thought of what he claims is disgusting to me. And with the current state of affairs, I certainly do believe in the possibility of truth in his claims.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:27 PM

I don't think you can blame the OMB, they just total up the bill. The blame lies with congress and the voters who keep electing them.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 06:15 PM

View PostWeMeantWell, on 01 May 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

7 days to the beginning of a new era in space:
http://www.gizmag.co...-engines/22352/


Maybe NASA can become more like the FAA of space.


The FAA already controls commercial space flight.


http://ecfr.gpoacces...frv4_02.tpl#300

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 07:21 PM

View Postflynhigh, on 17 May 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:


The FAA already controls commercial space flight.


http://ecfr.gpoacces...frv4_02.tpl#300


And this is a good thing? The FAA is another bloated, rudderless gov't agency with a bunch of overppaid, slackers in the air carrier inspector division especially.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:39 AM

So the Hubble is nearing the end of it's useful life. There's been lots of hand-wringing over it's fate and the future of space exploration. It seems the National Reconaissance Office was taking out the trash the other day, calls up NASA, and says "Hey, we have a couple of unused space telescopes with 100 times the resolution of the Hubble just sitting in our garage taking up space. You want 'em?"

I'm sure they were cheap. Good luck getting them in orbit. Maybe we could put them in a museum.

http://www.washingto...qw8DV_blog.html

http://gizmodo.com/5...than-the-hubble


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The NRO-1 and NRO-2 telescopes are currently sitting dismantled in an upstate New York warehouse, waiting to be retrieved. According to the Washington Post, the mirrors of the telescopes measure 7.9-feet in diameter, just like the Hubble. But unlike the creaky telescope currently in orbit, the NRO hardware has a secondary mirror enabling 100 times the resolving power.


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Edited by gearpig, 07 June 2012 - 05:40 AM.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:06 PM

Dream Chaser: Perhaps we have some hope for the interim.....it will beat paying 60 Mil a seat with the Ruskies...

Edited by Spur38, 07 June 2012 - 01:07 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 05:08 AM

Why would the NRO be interested in looking at stars?

All kidding aside - if the eight foot mirrors are part of a declassified "obsolete" system it makes you wonder what the current version can do... :-)

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:20 AM

Hubble was not the first big mirror in space. A cut and paste from Wikipedia: Furthermore, a NASA history of the Hubble,[15] in discussing the reasons for switching from a 3-meter main mirror to a 2.4-meter design, states: "In addition, changing to a 2.4-meter mirror would lessen fabrication costs by using manufacturing technologies developed for military spy satellites."





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