I get tired of this "I don't want my husband to FAIP" or " I deserve better than a FAIP job"
STFU!!!!
Wives, girlfriends, fiances: So you want to see the ######in world......buy a plane ticket....do you realize if you husband goes to his C-17 or 135 or whatever the hell else he'll be gone 1/2 the time anyhow? Then you'll be bitchin about how bad you want him to go back and get into AETC.
To you pilots who think FAIPing is a screw job in both T-1's and 38's: STFU...should have been #1 in your class then. Do you realize probably how close to you 6th choice airframe some of you might have been?? Now you have a chance to get your AETC tour out of the way and get a shot at the jet you want........so stop crying about it.
FAIPs are probably the most important people in AETC. They may lack experience but I see most FAIPs being a hell of a lot better at many IP tasks than the MWS guys. So instead of bitching, be honored of your role, take seriously the fact that you have the chance to keep f-sticks from going out and polluting the air force and realize that 3 years goes by quick.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:50 PM
Two things:
1. Not FAIPing doesn't ensure that you'll "see the world." We have been to Oklahoma, Texas, and Arkansas in our 6 active duty years.
2. We are exactly five years post-winging. My husband has been TDY or deployed about 28 out of those 60 months, and he wasn't gone as much as other guys in his squadron. Maybe your friend should consider things like that.
I'm sure the pilot is disappointed. He'll get over it...at least he didn't get a UAV.
The wife needs to take a deep breath and put on a smile. She's going to be awfully miserable for the next 4 years if she already has a crappy attitude.
1. Not FAIPing doesn't ensure that you'll "see the world." We have been to Oklahoma, Texas, and Arkansas in our 6 active duty years.
2. We are exactly five years post-winging. My husband has been TDY or deployed about 28 out of those 60 months, and he wasn't gone as much as other guys in his squadron. Maybe your friend should consider things like that.
I'm sure the pilot is disappointed. He'll get over it...at least he didn't get a UAV.
The wife needs to take a deep breath and put on a smile. She's going to be awfully miserable for the next 4 years if she already has a crappy attitude.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 07:53 PM
Yet another case of a pilot and his spouse who are under the impression that Uncle Sam and the good ole' USAF care a lick about what they would like to do with the next few years of their lives. For the bro, STFU and enjoy your wings. For the wifey, stop assuming you have a clue what this is all about, and be happy for your hubby. Scheezus..........SNAPs.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 11:17 PM
I was a FAIP.
I flew the sh!t out of that T-38....four corners of the US, more NASCAR flybys than I can remember, airshows, Class B airports (visiting the wife) and over 1,000hrs in the 3yr tour.
Since leaving the FAIP tour, I've:
been to SOS
been to safety school
been to AMRAAM school
deployed to OIF
deployed to OEF
been to Red Flag
been to WIC support
been the Mayor in a fighter squadron
been a Flight Commander
been an ADO
currently doing a remote/staff tour
will return to the cockpit following the remote
READ: I'VE DONE EVERYTHING A GUY WHO DIDN'T FAIP WOULD DO!
As Toro already posted with him link, FAIPs go to weapons school (I'm too dumb), to exchange tours (I don't even speak American correctly), and even get to command a fighter wing.
Bottom Line: It doesn't f@ckin matter. In fact, he should be tickled pink that he actually has a cockpit to sit in, instead of an easy chair flying UAV's.
Tell her to suck it up and drive on.
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I flew the sh!t out of that T-38....four corners of the US, more NASCAR flybys than I can remember, airshows, Class B airports (visiting the wife) and over 1,000hrs in the 3yr tour.
Since leaving the FAIP tour, I've:
been to SOS
been to safety school
been to AMRAAM school
deployed to OIF
deployed to OEF
been to Red Flag
been to WIC support
been the Mayor in a fighter squadron
been a Flight Commander
been an ADO
currently doing a remote/staff tour
will return to the cockpit following the remote
READ: I'VE DONE EVERYTHING A GUY WHO DIDN'T FAIP WOULD DO!
As Toro already posted with him link, FAIPs go to weapons school (I'm too dumb), to exchange tours (I don't even speak American correctly), and even get to command a fighter wing.
Bottom Line: It doesn't f@ckin matter. In fact, he should be tickled pink that he actually has a cockpit to sit in, instead of an easy chair flying UAV's.
Tell her to suck it up and drive on.
Cap-10
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 10:37 AM
One slight variation......I was told a few weeks ago that the requirements for WIC had changed from 9 years to 8 years commissioned time (I can't find anything here at home to verify that either way). If so, it's going to make going to WIC as a FAIP pretty much in possible.
12 months UPT
4 months PIT
36 months FAIP tour
2 months IFF
8 months RTU
That's going to put you at 5 years, 2 months already...add in casual and PCS time and you're looking at at least 6 years in service already (when I start my ops tour I'll be at 6 years, 5 months). To get MR, 2/4 FLUG, IPUG, and selected for WIC in 1.5 - 2 years.....good luck with that.
Other than that, being a FAIP is a good deal. I'd do it again (sts) in a heartbeat....and I did not choose to be one.
12 months UPT
4 months PIT
36 months FAIP tour
2 months IFF
8 months RTU
That's going to put you at 5 years, 2 months already...add in casual and PCS time and you're looking at at least 6 years in service already (when I start my ops tour I'll be at 6 years, 5 months). To get MR, 2/4 FLUG, IPUG, and selected for WIC in 1.5 - 2 years.....good luck with that.
Other than that, being a FAIP is a good deal. I'd do it again (sts) in a heartbeat....and I did not choose to be one.
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Posted 10 January 2009 - 04:47 PM
Does anyone know of a website/thread/etc that has some good info for T-1 PIT, etc.?
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 12:37 AM
RangerMateo, on Jan 10 2009, 04:47 PM, said:
Does anyone know of a website/thread/etc that has some good info for T-1 PIT, etc.?
PIT info
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 09:27 AM
Was reacently told that the AF doesn't FAIP older guys - is this true? I had heard that Captains going through UPT don't get FAIP, but not the older guys comment. As an older 2nd LT going through UPT, I'd like to know what others have heard or experienced. Is there an age limit to FAIP? Who usually gets FAIP?
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 09:40 AM
username4, on 23 August 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:
Was reacently told that the AF doesn't FAIP older guys - is this true? I had heard that Captains going through UPT don't get FAIP, but not the older guys comment. As an older 2nd LT going through UPT, I'd like to know what others have heard or experienced. Is there an age limit to FAIP? Who usually gets FAIP?
There is no age limit to FAIP. There are multiple prior-E dudes that are now FAIPs. The Captain comment is correct. See 36-2205v4.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 10:10 AM
Just be a good intra-mural athlete at your pilot training base and the FAIPs will draft you come assignment night.
Edited by Magellan, 23 August 2012 - 10:11 AM.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:18 AM
Magellan, on 23 August 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:
Just be a good intra-mural athlete at your pilot training base and the FAIPs will draft you come assignment night.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:44 AM
When I was there, the rules were:
FAIPs must come from the top third of the class.
#1 guy gets his #1 choice, FAIP or not.
No Capts.
Once you have your eligibles, IPs sit around in the FLT/CCs office and over beers, debate who would be the better dude to have around the squadron, who plays sports, who has the hotter wife/girlfriend or if the stud is a female...., etc. Then you make your choice, tweak the MASS scores, and make up something to tell the SQ/CC as to why this person has great flying skills and instructor potential.
FAIPs must come from the top third of the class.
#1 guy gets his #1 choice, FAIP or not.
No Capts.
Once you have your eligibles, IPs sit around in the FLT/CCs office and over beers, debate who would be the better dude to have around the squadron, who plays sports, who has the hotter wife/girlfriend or if the stud is a female...., etc. Then you make your choice, tweak the MASS scores, and make up something to tell the SQ/CC as to why this person has great flying skills and instructor potential.
Edited by gearpig, 23 August 2012 - 11:44 AM.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 04:47 PM
McQuibs, on 23 August 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:
It seems however, that what the training squadrons are looking for in a FAIP is somebody that did very well in pilot training that also has that bro factor. Meaning they can still go out and push it up on Friday and Saturday without having to worry about a whole family to care of. Things that sort of come with being a little older.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:40 PM
Just the way it seemed to me, I'm no expert...
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:44 PM
McQuibs, on 23 August 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:
Just the way it seemed to me, I'm no expert...
you have made that abundantly clear
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:23 PM
McQuibs, on 23 August 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:
I'm no expert...
Obviously.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:45 PM
McQuibs, on 23 August 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:
If you are in pilot training or about to start just do your best and what is supposed to happen timing ,luck, and your skill compared to your classmates determine what will happen. Hope this helps.
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Edited by AZwildcat, 23 August 2012 - 08:45 PM.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 10:17 PM
McQuibs, on 23 August 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:
It seems however, that what the training squadrons are looking for in a FAIP is somebody that did very well in pilot training that also has that bro factor. Meaning they can still go out and push it up on Friday and Saturday without having to worry about a whole family to care of. Things that sort of come with being a little older.
I'm a new FAIP. I guess they forgot to tell me that I didn't have the 'bro factor' anymore because I had a family.
Edited by brewskis, 23 August 2012 - 10:50 PM.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 10:34 PM
In retrospect, my comment was naive and inaccurate, I apologize for the misunderstanding.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:18 PM
Anyone have any SA on FAIP career progression right now? Are fighter guys getting back to back ops tours or are FAIPs the first in line for staff gigs/RPAs after their first ops tours? Are the bomber guys getting upgraded to A/Cs and sticking around or are they getting sent of for staff jobs too?
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