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[HiFlyer]

stoleit2x, on 14 September 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Okay weird request...a friend is studying to get their private license done in a DA-20 and I offered to give em some of my study materials.

Cruising around the Doss website I don't see any links up for the Bold Face/Ops limits sheets anymore. Anyone got any laying around?

Thanks.

Here... http://www.dossifs.c...rival_Guide.pdf About two thirds of the way thru the guide.

[LoadClear]

Tried searching first, no luck.

I finished up IFS back in June. I've talked to some local flight schools about taking some lessons and I'm wanting to start pursuing my PPL on the weekends. I was on the CSO track.

Question: Are any of the hours we did at IFS log gable in the DA-20 towards a PPL? The Pilot and CSO candidates did essentially the same flights until about halfway through when CSO tracked studs started doing VNAV flights. If any of it is loggable, what is the correct way to go about it? Unfortunately I didn't write down how long, what days, and who I flew with. I've considered emailing my flight commander that I had at Doss and asking but I don't want to waste anyone's time if its not even doable. All of our flights were tracked in TIMS, so if I'm still in their system, I would think that would supply the information required.

Thanks!

Edited by LoadClear, 19 November 2011 - 09:53 AM.

[nunya]

LoadClear, on 19 November 2011 - 09:51 AM, said:

Question: Are any of the hours we did at IFS log gable in the DA-20 towards a PPL?

Yes and no. They're loggable because you can put whatever you want in your logbook. I would put them in mine. However, they're only usable towards a private certificate if you have all the right endorsements/signatures from the CFI that gave you the training. Since you don't have that, you're kinda SOL as I doubt they're gonna do the legwork for you to get that.

Edited by nunya, 19 November 2011 - 11:02 AM.

[Smokey]

LoadClear, on 19 November 2011 - 09:51 AM, said:

Tried searching first, no luck.

I finished up IFS back in June. I've talked to some local flight schools about taking some lessons and I'm wanting to start pursuing my PPL on the weekends. I was on the CSO track.

Question: Are any of the hours we did at IFS log gable in the DA-20 towards a PPL? The Pilot and CSO candidates did essentially the same flights until about halfway through when CSO tracked studs started doing VNAV flights. If any of it is loggable, what is the correct way to go about it? Unfortunately I didn't write down how long, what days, and who I flew with. I've considered emailing my flight commander that I had at Doss and asking but I don't want to waste anyone's time if its not even doable. All of our flights were tracked in TIMS, so if I'm still in their system, I would think that would supply the information required.

Thanks!

Speaking FAA wise here. Yes, I can access all the flight record information and provide it for you. What I can't do is provide any IP signatures into a logbook that would be necessary to validate that experience in a log book.

No I won't walk a log book around for you to do so. But, I will email you the flight record information if you want. Check your PM.

And, sorry it took so long to reply. I gotta life too.

Smokey

[Hawker]

So I was reading up on this forum and I'm pretty sure I understand the glasses policy at IFS but wanted to make sure.

Since doss is an FAA run program that is contracted out through the military it is still held to FAA standards medically wise. So can we bring our own personal glasses to IFS or even contacts at that matter that we use while flying civilian (i.e. the ones I wore getting my PPL a few years ago) and not the ones the Air Force has us issued?

[HiFlyer]

UPTgoal, on 26 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

So I was reading up on this forum and I'm pretty sure I understand the glasses policy at IFS but wanted to make sure.

Since doss is an FAA run program that is contracted out through the military it is still held to FAA standards medically wise. So can we bring our own personal glasses to IFS or even contacts at that matter that we use while flying civilian (i.e. the ones I wore getting my PPL a few years ago) and not the ones the Air Force has us issued?

Need to have Smoky or a Doss person confirm this. While it is certainly OK to abide by FAA standards, you are assigned to a military unit (1st FTS, I believe) and Af uniform/dress standards must be adhered to, so the glasses must meet AF standards.

Edited by HiFlyer, 26 February 2012 - 04:20 PM.

[WeagleWeagle]

http://jasongwings.b...ney-begins.html

A decent blog on IFS, more recent than Riddller's


Edit: and yes the writer is a total douchenozzle, but if you filter that out it's a good play-by-play

Edited by WeagleWeagle, 27 February 2012 - 09:31 AM.

[Hawker]

HiFlyer, on 26 February 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

Need to have Smoky or a Doss person confirm this. While it is certainly OK to abide by FAA standards, you are assigned to a military unit (1st FTS, I believe) and Af uniform/dress standards must be adhered to, so the glasses must meet AF standards.

Thanks for the info guys, so to make sure I'm understanding this correctly as long as they meet AF standards as far as dress and apperance is concerned (AFI 36-2903) it's OK to wear personal glasses or contacts at IFS and not those "BCGs"? Just need to make sure the glasses/contacts are conservative in nature.

[LookieRookie]

UPTgoal, on 27 February 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Thanks for the info guys, so to make sure I'm understanding this correctly as long as they meet AF standards as far as dress and apperance is concerned (AFI 36-2903) it's OK to wear personal glasses or contacts at IFS and not those "BCGs"? Just need to make sure the glasses/contacts are conservative in nature.

Everyone in my class just wore their normal glasses. No one had a problem with it.

Edited by LookieRookie, 28 February 2012 - 12:40 AM.

[Smokey]

HiFlyer, on 26 February 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

Need to have Smoky or a Doss person confirm this. While it is certainly OK to abide by FAA standards, you are assigned to a military unit (1st FTS, I believe) and Af uniform/dress standards must be adhered to, so the glasses must meet AF standards.

Yes, and yes. Any "corrective lense" requirement on the FAA medical has to be satisfied to the requirements of the FAR. Uniform standards also have to be maintained at the same time for USAF requirements.

UPTgoal, on 27 February 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Thanks for the info guys, so to make sure I'm understanding this correctly as long as they meet AF standards as far as dress and apperance is concerned (AFI 36-2903) it's OK to wear personal glasses or contacts at IFS and not those "BCGs"? Just need to make sure the glasses/contacts are conservative in nature.

Correct on all.

Smokey

[Smokey]

General Post for all IFS incoming.

The publications posted on the USAF IFS link under the UPT link has outdated information. Especially for CSO's and RPA's but also for Pilot candidates.

The Boldface and Ops Limits are good. The Academic information is also good. EP Training Guide good as well. After that, syllabus, playbooks, etc., are all way out of date and contain incorrect information. Do not spend much time studying them because you are learning incorrect information.

I have asked the site to remove the outdated items (and the information is proprietary so I will not provide current publications) but they have yet to do it. As with any information not received directly from the entity who controls it, use caution for it's accuracy.

"Live by the gouge.....Die by the gouge."

Smokey

Edited by Smokey, 29 February 2012 - 09:13 PM.

[blake]

Read the glasses comments, but still had a question. I require glasses as far as the air force flight physical is concerned. So I will newd them for UPT. But for my FAA physical, I do not require glasses. I don't currently have a set of glasses, will I be required to get a set before going to IFS?

[HiFlyer]

blake, on 21 May 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

Read the glasses comments, but still had a question. I require glasses as far as the air force flight physical is concerned. So I will newd them for UPT. But for my FAA physical, I do not require glasses. I don't currently have a set of glasses, will I be required to get a set before going to IFS?

Not sure what the IFS rule will be, but if the AF flight physical says you need them, they'll be issued to you pretty soon after you get to your UPT base, and will probably have them by the time you get to IFS (unless you go pretty quickly) so it shouldn't be a problem. My son was in that situation and I believe he kept his glasses with him at IFS...in his suitcase, in his room!

[blake]

IFS is too soon for them to even come in. The guy at Optometry said if I had walked in my first day on base they still wouldn't have came in. No one even mentioned eye wear during inprocessing. I just took it upon myself to go.

[Smokey]

blake, on 21 May 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

Read the glasses comments, but still had a question. I require glasses as far as the air force flight physical is concerned. So I will newd them for UPT. But for my FAA physical, I do not require glasses. I don't currently have a set of glasses, will I be required to get a set before going to IFS?

Your questions go into two areas here. As far as IFS is concerned, you'll need whatever the FAA physical/student certificate lists as restrictions such as corrective lenses. If there is no such statement, I can't say you should wear your glasses.

You'll also get a medical screening and a quasi AF1042 from the on site IDMT.

Now we come down to the real issue. The FAA vision check is a joke relative to an AF physical to qualify for UPT. If the AF physical identified something vision wise that was still within regs but needed lenses, I'd recommend going that route and wear them.

My 2 cents,
Smokey

Edited by Smokey, 04 June 2012 - 04:56 PM.

[scudrunner12]

Does anyone know who the IFS waiver authority is? (e.g. who retains prior issued IFS waivers) Long story, short. I was issued a waiver while at the 562d; the 562d now longer exists.

Looking to you Smokey...

[Archa3opt3ryx]

Smokey, on 08 December 2011 - 10:07 PM, said:

A Doss IP can't and shouldn't update a BFR for those with an FAA ticket or solo endorse a log book in any way.

Hey Smokey, quick question: I have my PPL, but my BFR has expired. Can I still log the time I get in the DA20, either dual or solo or both? I just looked up the FAA reg on flight reviews (61.56) and it basically says "no pilot may operate an aircraft without a flight review", but it says nothing about logging time. I assume that part of the reg is essentially waived for people with PPLs, since we're sorta considered students again, but since I'm rated catagory and class, I should still be able to log both dual and solo time, right?

[Smokey]

scudrunner12, on 18 July 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

Does anyone know who the IFS waiver authority is? (e.g. who retains prior issued IFS waivers) Long story, short. I was issued a waiver while at the 562d; the 562d now longer exists.

Looking to you Smokey...

You'll have to be a bit more specific, while still being general, about the waiver in question. In other words, what does it pertain to? I can do some investigative work for you, but without some more information, I don't know where to begin.

Smokey

LoneWolf121188, on 18 July 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Hey Smokey, quick question: I have my PPL, but my BFR has expired. Can I still log the time I get in the DA20, either dual or solo or both? I just looked up the FAA reg on flight reviews (61.56) and it basically says "no pilot may operate an aircraft without a flight review", but it says nothing about logging time. I assume that part of the reg is essentially waived for people with PPLs, since we're sorta considered students again, but since I'm rated catagory and class, I should still be able to log both dual and solo time, right?

The quick and dirty.....

BFR expired is no problem. With a PPL, you can still log both PIC and DUAL received for your FAA logbook.

As for solo issue, we cover all those bases as well for your issue. We have a LOA with the Denver FSDO for these situations. A special endorsement will be attached to your training jacket, not into your log book, that will cover you to operate the DOSS aircraft in solo operations under the confines of the DOSS IFS operation only.

In other words, you'll be legal in the eyes of the FAA for what you do here only under the training syllabus you are enrolled in. It will not carry over in any other way to exercising your FAA certificate. And, NO, no IFS instructor will sign off your BFR under any circumstances. The BFR requirements are not satisfied by the training we provide you here. This training is meant to run you full throttle for 3 weeks and prepare you for UPT....

Cheers,
Smokey

Edited by Smokey, 18 July 2012 - 08:10 PM.

[Smokey]

An all call on the glasses question posted not too long ago.

From an FAA standpoint, we have always been legal to fly you in the eyes of the FAA if no restriction was placed on the medical despite any contrary statement in your AF medical.

As with all things, there is a reason for the change in 1st FTS policy on the matter and kind of goes inline with one of the posts I made.

Long story short, a student pilot had issues with landings. He was one who did not need glasses in the eyes of the FAA but did in the eyes of the AF. After washing out, he was reinstated because of that fact. He then, after flying with corrective lenses, still washed out.....but you get the point.

Bottom line, if any medical form indicates corrective lenses are required, you WILL have them or not be allowed to enter training. Do whatever you have to do to push the optical folks on base to get them before you show up. Otherwise, you face getting sent home.

Spread the word. I think the 1st has done so, but you know how that goes.

Smokey

nunya, on 18 July 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

You can log the time. You can even log PIC time while you're actually flying. 61.56 doesn't say you can't operate an aircraft without a BFR. It says you can't act as pilot in command of an aircraft without a BFR, and you won't be acting as PIC while you're with a CFI.

See the above reply regarding the solo issue.

Smokey

[Smokey]

And another recent 1st FTS policy regarding the FAA physical/student certificate, you must have it before you fly. In the past, we would fly you because we could and find a break to get the student to the AME prior to solo. That is now no longer allowed. A student about half way through training and doing fine went to get the student certificate/medical and the Doc found an issue that required a waiver....that doesn't happen over night. Student removed from training.

You won't be allowed to fly without a valid FAA medical cert. Period.

Pass the word and do yourself a favor. Come to IFS with all the stuff done prior to arriving. Glasses, student medical, etc.

Smokey