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  3. SurelySerious

    Seattle airliner stolen and crashed

    You are clearly emotionally connected here, but this is irrelevant. It literally could have happened anywhere where anyone of us has lived and flown. The guys with experience in these operations are mostly logically trying to walk you through their process and provide perspective based on the known circumstances, which would similarly be taken whether it’s a stolen jet near jblm or near hill or Leavenworth.
  4. HarleyQuinn

    What is right with the Air Force

    If I could buy my airline tickets with my own credit card, I wouldn't hesitate. That's the only time I use my GTC. I pay for the charges as soon as it appears on my card.
  5. HarleyQuinn

    What's wrong with the Air Force?

    You prefer a tampon or maxipad? You seem like the string hanging out in the pool type of guy.
  6. StoleIt

    What's wrong with the Air Force?

    You're telling me the enemy, in the middle of a gun fight, could tell the difference between the ABU and the ACU? I call BS on that. I remember shopping for ABU's when they first came out and everyone was laying them on the floor to try and get a matching shade of gray and one Lt Col tried to buy an ABU top with an ACU bottom. They look really freaking similar.
  7. IDALPHA

    Robins AFB August 4 IRR Muster Pay ?

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sycophant?s=t so nobody else has to google it
  8. ViperStud

    Robins AFB August 4 IRR Muster Pay ?

    Am I the only one who is a guard guy and thinking this dude is a sycophant?
  9. Lawman

    Seattle airliner stolen and crashed

    How many BBQs have you been too in backyards that could look up and see this guy conduct his fuckery? How many of you have spent any time in this airspace at any given altitude, much less where he was where you can look down and see kids playing from where he “posted up.” im just curious, because I have been in some of the yards where he was doing this. DuPont is bacially off post housing for JBLM. It sits next to the Island (which is populated though barely) that he managed to slam it into. You could swim too it if so desired. You’re never going to get a better scenario than lone dude in airplane unless it is an intentional terrorist attack. Again, when he’s flying and talking... hey let’s work the guy down though god knows how that would have gone. When he starts putting that aircraft in what would be a semi controlled condition for somebody that knew what they were doing let alone an F’ing mechanic who stole the keys to it, yeah it’s time to stop playing with this A-hole.
  10. matmacwc

    What is right with the Air Force

    And there is your “good” thing about this extreme off topic. Please keep it on point and carry on in the finance thread, or ClearedHots, “My Little Pony” thread. @ClearedHot
  11. dream big

    What is right with the Air Force

    Whatever, the risk is worth the sweet AMX points
  12. Lord Ratner

    The Next President is...

    I've said that since the primary victory. Trump as president was only possible because "the establishment," over the course of decades, dissolved any moral accountability in the underlying system of government. They cheated, they stole, they lied, they enriched themselves and their circles, they abused, and they evaded punishment. Eventually these practices became ubiquitous, and all that was left was the facade of decency and honor. But a facade cannot protect the system from intruders. Enter Trump, who's only distinction is that his words and appearance match his/their actions. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
  13. Klepto

    What is right with the Air Force

    PAPERWORK!? I've never even heard of anyone being asked if they used their GTC.
  14. Mark1

    Seattle airliner stolen and crashed

    What more could he have done to demonstrate a threat? He could have started by plowing into downtown Seattle before any scramble even had time to reach the jets. Instead he headed towards an unpopulated area before (generally) complying with instructions to turn back towards Sea-Tac in order to stay within radio range of approach. Then he verbally expressed his desire not to hurt anyone and voluntarily posted up over the water for his aerobatics. Based on his behavior and flight track, this was not dumb luck. It was a conscious decision on his part to do what he was going to do in a "safe" location. I can imagine more threatening scenarios. FYI, he didn't crash into the water but given the underpopulated area he had chosen, nobody on the ground was affected.
  15. FLEA

    What is right with the Air Force

    You raise a valid point, when businesses start to part time as political lobbies, there is definitely an eye brow raise when the government continues to do business with them. On another note, I do know one person who recieved paperwork for not using his GTC to pay for hotel. So it does happen.
  16. HossHarris

    Seattle airliner stolen and crashed

    You probably won’t see airliners (etc) getting shot down until there has been demonstrated hostile intent from something larger than an individual.
  17. Thank you again for the support, comments, and upvotes, everyone! You guys were instrumental in helping me get there and I'm very grateful for that! I'll certainly be lurking around combing the forums for info on the rest of the journey to UPT and helping out with any questions anyone might have going through the same trials to get picked up. And I'll definitely post up when it's locked in and I have dates. I'm hoping to head out ASAP (I'm sure not getting any younger...haha), so I'm still doing my best to reach out and make connections/annoy folks to keep things moving. As of now, my biggest push is to make sure my age ETP keeps moving up the chain so I can get to an OTS board. The squadron has been awesome and is pushing to get me rolling quickly, which I'm very thankful for. Last I heard, my ETP was on the Ops/CC desk a couple weeks ago on its way up to Wing, then NAF, then A3. I don't want to overstep my bounds too much, so I'm not sure how to check on it's progress without coming off as impatient, since they did make calls for me. But, it's my last piece to get squared away before going to a board, so I'm definitely like a kid before Christmas. Anyway, I'm rambling again. Haha. Thank you all again for the support!
  18. Lawman

    Seattle airliner stolen and crashed

    The fact that simply 30 seconds additional time traveling in any direction between his first attempt at a “successful” barrel roll and his second puts him overtop literally any populated area in that region. We got lucky he hit water, because for where he was that’s literally the least likely thing he could have landed on. Outside the JBLM impact area and the little bit of low density you get in the Nisqually reservation area, that places is packed with people and houses. What other kind of thing would he have to have done to demonstrate a clear and ever present threat. If “Allah Akbar” would raise the hairs as it would many for good reason, this guys actions definitely should.
  19. Kenny Powers

    Seattle airliner stolen and crashed

    Agree to disagree, maybe your experience with these types of situations is different than mine. And I dont know the timeline of the above audio (is it real time?), but I clocked about 40 seconds between barrel roll and crash. So what do you think would have changed based on your arguement above?
  20. Lawman

    Seattle airliner stolen and crashed

    There is 1 direction, About a 300 that this guy could go from where he was toward a non populated area from where he started going off reservation. He didn’t turn that way. Never at any point in the ATC discussion is there any attempt to turn the lunatic making loops and rolls over a major metro area to get him headed that way. They were still steering him to the airfields at JBLM. As I said, when this guy went from “holy crap I stole a plane... now what” to “Ya’ll watch this!” The risk to the public changed entirely. If that wouldn’t force hands to say, yeah take him over the sound before he removes that option from us, then what the hell is the point of even intercepting him with live ordnance on them in the first place. He was in the only place where you could pump two 120s into him and not drop him on a house when he was auditioning for the Thunderbirds 800 feet over some of my friends houses. The second that happen the discussion should have been over. Because the next time he decided to roll it inverted and “see what happens” could have been over any of a dozen cities/suburbs all within short distance of where he abandoned normalcy and demonstrated a threat to the public at large. He escalated the threat beyond rational through his actions in the air, not simply because if were gonna run an intercept might as well run it “sexy.” If we need to change methodology on tactics during the intercept to minimize the time in the kill chain so you can take a fleeting chance like this one (him being over the sound instead of anywhere else) like we would with a similar situation over say Manhattan or something, than war game that and figure it out. It’s not like every chance for this to occur is gonna be lucky enough to happen somewhere over the Arizona desert or desolate stretch of Montana or something. As I and others said.... we got very Lucky he killed himself without taking some poor innocent with his dumb ass.
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  22. Kenny Powers

    What's wrong with the Air Force?

    Who F#cking cares what uniform people wear?
  23. Kenny Powers

    Seattle airliner stolen and crashed

    I dont know your background, so I dont mean to insult, but once the Eagles picked him up on their radar, they could've shot him down at any given moment. Guess what happens to an airliner when you shoot it down? It crashes. Probably fully in contact. Missiles cause planes to crash by sending frag through critical systems, like hydraulics. Even if they spear the aircraft, if they dont render those systems useless, the plane will probably still fly. There is a reason we shoot x2 at airline sized aircraft. So, do we shoot a plane down with a dude who hasn't necessarily shown hostile intent and let it crash in a random place, or wait and see what happens? Not like you are controlling the crash either way, unless it was headed for a very specific target. Did that dude crash intentionally? Was there a good point during the intercept to shoot him down and not be worried about where the plane would end up? I dont know. I dont have a ton of ACA experience, but I have some, and i have intercepted dudes with live missiles on my jet. Things happen quick and the situation is extremely ambiguous. It's a pick up game trying to figure out WTF is going on and what the intent is. Unless I heard Rich on the radio sounding like he wanted to hurt people, or the voice of God spoke over the NORAD freq and told me this was a known terrorist plot, I'd have a difficult time shooting. Edit to add: As a fighter pilot doing ACA, it's almost never my call to shoot. It's my job to intercept the guy, tell NORAD what is going on, and try to help make contact (over the radio or visually) or direct him away from a specific area.
  24. Lawman

    Seattle airliner stolen and crashed

    The guy crashed into Ketron Island. It’s the outer report point for departure out of Gray Army Airfield to the North. If moved a little over a mile south he would have come down in the middle of North Fort JBLM, which is filled with barracks. A mile another direction, Anderson Island. Half a mile or so East and he’s coming down in the middle of Washington University in Tacoma. That area he decided to have an impromptu airshow, that’s the stretch between the Nisqually outflow into the sound (Lacey) and Point Defiance (Tacoma). You go up to 35 seconds in just about any direction from where he was overwater at 100 knots over that thin stretch of water and you’re over houses. He was fine up to a point, and then he was needlessly endangering any of tens of thousands of people. The first “hey look what I can do” should have been it. This wasn’t a guy tooling around while ATC deconflicts traffic needing to be talked down anymore after that. And I’ll caveat this too for the sake of not ever getting full picture. If the Eagles were getting ready with the wheels turning to roll on this guy and we just aren’t advertising it since the outcome made it moot hey cool, I get that. But if this is somehow a “good outcome” for any other reason to us than dumb luck I think we really need to rethink what our expectations of good outcome are and publicly state them, because trough Grace of really luck alone we didn’t have this guy kill a bunch of people in his quest to end it spectacularly. And remember even if he hadn’t been doing his best Bob Hoover impressions, he was also running out of fuel without a lot of water to stay over while he did it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  25. brickhistory

    The Next President is...

    Remember? That dastardly American and his 16 year old son executed by order of the President without benefit of trial? The Attorney General of the United States being held in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over DOJ documents that were subpoenaed? (First ever such contempt finding) The use of the IRS against one political ideology? The FBI deciding that multiple actions that would've landed any of us for a long time in Leavenworth draws a "She was careless." The unilateral overturning of American bankruptcy laws? Telling the Senate when it was session despite what the Senate had declared? The use of the IC to surveil and then unmask several hundred American citizens? A dead of night jet filled with cash landing in Tehran? 57 states? A Navy corpseman? A JV ISIS? Nah, me neither... Brennan: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-director-john-brennan-apologizes-for-search-of-senate-computers/2014/07/31/28004b18-18c6-11e4-9349-84d4a85be981_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e4bc27014c6b As to the list of braying senior security clearance holders: Their value to various corporations/think tanks/media depends on access to their successors who are still in the game, thus the clearances hold significant financial value to each holder. Once their personal contacts bingo out, they fade off quickly into obscurity. I don't think Brennan is particularly wealthy. This was a direct hit on his bank account. Watch what Trump does, not necessarily what he says. Oh, and as to Trump savaging Mattis at some future point, there is that little catch-all, "serve at the pleasure of the President." As a guy said, "Elections have consequences."
  26. ihtfp06

    What is right with the Air Force

    Current location to check in and out? Why in God’s name would that be beneficial? No wifi in the lobby, now you’re wasting time tethering to your shitty T-mobile connection to log into DTS at alert. Good luck with the personal cards too (I’ve used mine when my GTC was declined or lost, but if you don’t have a good alibi you’re flirting with getting paperwork). On that note though, now that Citi has adopted a political stance on gun sales, anyone know if that would be a valid reason to get the SJA office to write you a memo exempting you from GTC use? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  27. matmacwc

    The Next President is...

    Or to upload a YouTube video, or like certain things on Facebook, or giving a conservative talk on a college campus. Identity politics are a dangerous game festering on one side of the aisle, and it backfired. I think SS is right, the (D)s short term political gain is coming home to roost.
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